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In reply to the discussion: "I've told the Democratic candidates not to go too far to the left" [View all]ehrnst
(32,640 posts)108. The Green New Deal was nearly tanked by McConnell because of impatience
And thank God most Democrats cockblocked him by voting "present," on that vote.
To equate anyone that tells you something you don't want to hear with "playing into the hands of corporat propaganda who have poisoned your mind" is also not based in reality.... see also: Trump supporters.
We can't do anything new because I already have it and if we extend it to others, then it isn't fair...
Attacking a strawman doesn't help one's credibility. No one here is saying that and you know it.
To me, that argument just doesn't hold water. We need to raise taxes enough so that a) everyone has Medicare, and b) increase coverage to 100% rather than 80%, and c) allow private companies to continue to sell supplemental policies...but everybody has the basic good package.
Well, apparently anything that you don't want to hear "doesn't hold water."
There are several proposals on the table for reforming health care, and what you describe doesn't accurately reference any of them. You're oversimplifying and misrepresenting MFA, so that's one problem you have right there - lack of information.
I could give you links to several articles that go into detail, but as you've stated, you will dismiss anything, no matter how expert or evidence based, that you don't want to hear as being the product of a "corporate propaganda poisoned mind," which is sad, because we need people behind what will actually get the most health care to the most people the soonest - and right now, that's plugging the holes in the ACA.
And no, that's not a "slippery slope," it's acknowledging the reality of not being able to upend the health care system in this country all at once with out disruption to the health care system, the economic impacts of doing so on those who work in that system which is 17% of our GDP.
In the real world, any huge project has this caveat: Affordable, Fast, or Good - pick two.
There is no magic wand hidden away in some corporate board room, as you seem to think, that would enable all that you envision to happen within 10 years. Anyone who tells you that is either selling something or running for office.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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"I've told the Democratic candidates not to go too far to the left" [View all]
brooklynite
May 2019
OP
she wants to talk about health care but not MFA. i don't understand her approach. thats kitchen tabl
Kurt V.
May 2019
#5
Because, politically speaking, M4A is the worst possible way to get universal healthcare.
marylandblue
May 2019
#44
no doubt it isn't going to be easy. bc it's not being discussed properly by congressional
Kurt V.
May 2019
#49
It's being properly discussed by health policy analysts, which is where it should be discussed first
ehrnst
May 2019
#105
Well, that's kind of a slippery slope - that attitude plays into the hands of the corporate
PatrickforO
May 2019
#65
Thank you. Maryland actually has an interesting policy in place to keep down costs.
ehrnst
May 2019
#119
I don't know anything about that. I do know Maryland is considered a high cost state.
marylandblue
May 2019
#137
Yes. Stop ramming M4A down our throats and insisting it is the only way to get healthcare 4all.
emmaverybo
May 2019
#77
She and all Democrats wants to talk about universal health care. That doesn't have to be MFA. (nt)
ehrnst
May 2019
#67
right. Single payer health care takes many forms around the globe. so m4a may or
Kurt V.
May 2019
#79
More accurately, Universal Health Care takes many forms around the globe, and few are single payer.
ehrnst
May 2019
#80
Candidates be themselves?! Voters decide?! WHAT?!?! Sounds too much like democracy!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
May 2019
#32
She's one of the leaders of the Democratic Party, and she's offering advice to the candidates.....
George II
May 2019
#93
lol, RW neoibcon Romneybot Jennifer Rubin, always my go-to for advice for my party
Celerity
May 2019
#75
FWIW, the events I went to for Warren's Senate campaign were about the same.
brooklynite
May 2019
#18
Where do you draw THAT line? Harry Truman would say we have moved too far to the Right
Ford_Prefect
May 2019
#7
There will always be lobbyists. There were powerful lobbyists against Medicare and the ACA.
ehrnst
May 2019
#69
Yes, that has to be addressed. It is a very real obstacle, and a small group of people wanting it
ehrnst
May 2019
#70
Telling a specialized audience what they want to hear without being too specific.
delisen
May 2019
#10
And that would be the Simplified Truth as opposed to simply telling the truth?
Ford_Prefect
May 2019
#13
The point is he knew how to respond to the GOP bullies, not that all of his
Ford_Prefect
May 2019
#48
M4A bad for me and many others like me. Also concerned about quality for Medicaid patients
emmaverybo
May 2019
#78
Wait, you mean it wasn't centrist, moderate, rust belt voters who gave us our 2018 win?
doompatrol39
May 2019
#30
It wasn't them that won it was the democrats that lost by not allowing an inspiring, exciting,
rainy
May 2019
#47
What democrats didn't allow an "inspiring non-corporate controlled candidate" to excite the base?
ehrnst
May 2019
#110
You hear someone say that they heard something she said, and you're calling it a "threat?"
ehrnst
May 2019
#102
Sorry you feel like you wasted your time when you kept responding to these posts.
ehrnst
May 2019
#136
Define "progressive" because that term seems to mean different things to different people.
ehrnst
May 2019
#83
Define "progressive" because that term seems to mean different things to different people.
ehrnst
May 2019
#84
I don't know which two recent polls you reference, but those that I've seen poll a cross section....
George II
May 2019
#41
The election is young. There is a lot of campaigning and the debates left to go.
CentralMass
May 2019
#36
Go find a post where I'm trashing her or saying bad things about her. You won't find one.
Autumn
May 2019
#86
Didn't find any posts of me hating on her? Or just too busy to look what with MIRT and all? Here
Autumn
May 2019
#91
Remind us how many progressive candidates (vs moderate ones) won us the House in 2018
brooklynite
May 2019
#140