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pnwmom

(110,325 posts)
Sat May 11, 2019, 05:12 PM May 2019

Probably this Hunter Biden situation was perfectly innocent, [View all]

knowing Joe Biden. He's a patriot.

However, it sure looks like something that could be used to confuse the electorate in a general election. There will be accusations against Don Jr. and Hunter Biden, both involving Russia or Ukraine, and we're counting on the average non-involved, low-information voter to decide Jr. is a crook but Hunter's fine . . .

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/01/us/politics/biden-son-ukraine.html

Hunter Biden was a Yale-educated lawyer who had served on the boards of Amtrak and a number of nonprofit organizations and think tanks, but lacked any experience in Ukraine and just months earlier had been discharged from the Navy Reserve after testing positive for cocaine. He would be paid as much as $50,000 per month in some months for his work for the company, Burisma Holdings.

SNIP

The broad outlines of how the Bidens’ roles intersected in Ukraine have been known for some time. The former vice president’s campaign said that he had always acted to carry out United States policy without regard to any activities of his son, that he had never discussed the matter with Hunter Biden and that he learned of his son’s role with the Ukrainian energy company from news reports.

But new details about Hunter Biden’s involvement, and a decision this year by the current Ukrainian prosecutor general to reverse himself and reopen an investigation into Burisma, have pushed the issue back into the spotlight just as the senior Mr. Biden is beginning his 2020 presidential campaign.

They show how Hunter Biden and his American business partners were part of a broad effort by Burisma to bring in well-connected Democrats during a period when the company was facing investigations backed not just by domestic Ukrainian forces but by officials in the Obama administration. Hunter Biden’s work for Burisma prompted concerns among State Department officials at the time that the connection could complicate Vice President Biden’s diplomacy in Ukraine, former officials said.

“I have had no role whatsoever in relation to any investigation of Burisma, or any of its officers,” Hunter Biden said Wednesday in a statement. “I explicitly limited my role to focus on corporate governance best practices to facilitate Burisma’s desire to expand globally.”

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/may/07/viral-image/fact-checking-joe-biden-hunter-biden-and-ukraine/

Key takeaways
• Hunter Biden did hold a directorship for a Ukrainian gas company while his father was vice president. Experts agree that Hunter Biden's acceptance of the position created a conflict of interest for his father.

• Vice President Joe Biden did urge Ukraine to fire its top prosecutor, with the threat of withholding U.S. aid. But that was the position of the wider U.S. government, as well as other international institutions.

We found no evidence to support the idea that Joe Biden advocated with his son's interests in mind, as the message suggests. It's not even clear that the company was actively under investigation or that a change in prosecutors benefited it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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The Intercept (of all places, lolol) debunked it and shredded Vogel and the NYT Celerity May 2019 #1
Oh lordie. Tipperary May 2019 #2
+1 LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #3
Your concern is noted. highplainsdem May 2019 #4
Someone really has it in for Biden LibFarmer May 2019 #5
It has been non-stop...starting with the Flores BS. Demsrule86 May 2019 #7
It's pretty much any make candidate/pol BannonsLiver May 2019 #20
Seriously disgusting post...you should delete. Demsrule86 May 2019 #6
Yes - this is so inflammatory. I am appalled that trash like this would even make it to this forum. Skya Rhen May 2019 #8
Me too. And it always backfires. I like this poster and have no idea this is posted Demsrule86 May 2019 #9
How Interesting That You Posted This. MineralMan May 2019 #10
Perhaps her "teacher friend" was upset about it LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #17
This is why the "Hillary had too much baggage but Bernie/Joe woul have won in a walk" arguments fail StarfishSaver May 2019 #11
Oh, and the cocaine thing - nice touch... MineralMan May 2019 #12
Tad clumsy, perhaps? Tipperary May 2019 #13
Well, see...let me think...got it: Irrelevant negative information MineralMan May 2019 #14
Yes, they are doing so without much skill. Tipperary May 2019 #15
Nonsense. honest.abe May 2019 #16
Opinion: Why the alleged Joe Biden "Ukraine conspiracy" doesn't hold up Gothmog May 2019 #18
This reminds me of the timeline issues in the controversy about Hillary pnwmom May 2019 #19
Suuuure it does. BannonsLiver May 2019 #21
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