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In reply to the discussion: Polls show Bernie Sanders popularity among all voters is plummeting [View all]Gothmog
(183,517 posts)173. No one took sanders seriously in 2016 and so sanders was not vetted
No one took sanders seriously and so he was not vetted. Vetting is important I amso glad that sanders is being vetted this cycle https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/28/why-bernie-sanders-has-an-uphill-climb-ahead/?utm_term=.1b4f90c2a717
Finally, what happens when the oppo dump on Sanders comes? We have no idea, because it never happened in 2016. Clinton was so terrified of alienating his supporters and seeing them vote for Jill Stein in the general election (or not vote at all) that she tiptoed around him for pretty much the entirety of the primary campaign. That doesnt mean that hell be destroyed when stories about the more colorful aspects of his history start cropping up, but theres just no way to know.
Which is what we could say about the Sanders candidacy as a whole: Theres no way to know how its going to go. But hes got his work cut out for him.
Which is what we could say about the Sanders candidacy as a whole: Theres no way to know how its going to go. But hes got his work cut out for him.
See also https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/19/politics/bernie-sanders-2020-campaign-donald-trump/index.html?utm_source=twCNNp&utm_content=2019-02-20T14%3A52%3A07&utm_term=image&utm_medium=social%C2%A0
2. How will he withstand more scrutiny and more attacks?
One of the secrets to Sanders' success in 2016 was that no one -- most especially Clinton -- thought he had any chance of going anywhere in the race. Clinton largely ignored him for the better part of 2015, allowing some problematic parts of Sanders' record for Democrats -- most notably his voting record on guns -- to go unnoticed. (When the race began to tighten, Clinton gently prodded Sanders on guns and health care.) Sanders, too, largely flew under the radar of investigative reporters for major news outlets who were busy looking into Clinton, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and others seen as more viable candidates. (That reality clearly benefited Donald Trump in the early days of the campaign, as well.)
Sanders will get no pass -- from either the media or his fellow candidates -- this time around. He is among the frontrunners -- and will be treated as such. His wife's time as president of Burlington College could well come up. And his opponents will do a deep dive into his nearly 30 years of votes as a member of the House and Senate. This is all very normal stuff in a campaign. But not for Sanders.
One of the secrets to Sanders' success in 2016 was that no one -- most especially Clinton -- thought he had any chance of going anywhere in the race. Clinton largely ignored him for the better part of 2015, allowing some problematic parts of Sanders' record for Democrats -- most notably his voting record on guns -- to go unnoticed. (When the race began to tighten, Clinton gently prodded Sanders on guns and health care.) Sanders, too, largely flew under the radar of investigative reporters for major news outlets who were busy looking into Clinton, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and others seen as more viable candidates. (That reality clearly benefited Donald Trump in the early days of the campaign, as well.)
Sanders will get no pass -- from either the media or his fellow candidates -- this time around. He is among the frontrunners -- and will be treated as such. His wife's time as president of Burlington College could well come up. And his opponents will do a deep dive into his nearly 30 years of votes as a member of the House and Senate. This is all very normal stuff in a campaign. But not for Sanders.
Now we can see how sanders reacts to being vetted
Link to tweet
Among some Democrats, there was a sense of bewilderment that the Sanders campaign had goneas one operative put itnuclear over a mere web video. One Democratic consultant sympathetic to Sanders described the video as being like a gnat buzzing around your ear, one which should not have distracted from the candidates Midwest tour.
It also raised questions as to whether the senator was ready for the scrutiny that would come from being a frontrunning candidate, after having run as an insurgent against an ideal foil, Hillary Clinton, in 2016.
When youre leading in the polls of president of your party you should expect investigative stories to hit at least once a week and to be attacked by your opponents every day, said Ben Labolt, who served as press secretary to Barack Obama during the 2012 campaign. An attack on something like ThinkProgress is the sign of a super-narrow-minded campaign that isnt actually thinking of how the election will be won... They have chosen an establishment force that no one outside of the Starbucks at 16th and K would recognize.
It also raised questions as to whether the senator was ready for the scrutiny that would come from being a frontrunning candidate, after having run as an insurgent against an ideal foil, Hillary Clinton, in 2016.
When youre leading in the polls of president of your party you should expect investigative stories to hit at least once a week and to be attacked by your opponents every day, said Ben Labolt, who served as press secretary to Barack Obama during the 2012 campaign. An attack on something like ThinkProgress is the sign of a super-narrow-minded campaign that isnt actually thinking of how the election will be won... They have chosen an establishment force that no one outside of the Starbucks at 16th and K would recognize.
I am glad that sanders is being vetted
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Polls show Bernie Sanders popularity among all voters is plummeting [View all]
brooklynite
Apr 2019
OP
Especially when they affect popularity polls that happened earlier than the post.
MineralMan
Apr 2019
#72
THIS CNN ARTICLE IS FROM MARCH 20, 2019, WHY DID YOU POST W/O DATE???????????
appalachiablue
Apr 2019
#73
EDIT YOUR OP ***ADD THE *REAL DATE* OF THE CNN ARTICLE, MARCH 20, 2019***
appalachiablue
Apr 2019
#82
He consistently receives 70% of the vote in a state with a Republican governor
Tiggeroshii
Apr 2019
#30
More like he isnt going to craft his message different based on who he is talking to
Tiggeroshii
Apr 2019
#62
Biden's entry into the Democratic race provides a jolt to the Sanders candidacy
Gothmog
May 2019
#174
This article is an analysis of who they think would win a primary if it was held now.
ehrnst
Apr 2019
#41
This poll/ ranking was taken thev day before Joe announced... so it is invalid.,
Demsrule86
Apr 2019
#47
Oh I thought you supported Sanders, I feel bad when folks candidates are not
Demsrule86
Apr 2019
#124
Bernie's shtick has become stale, and other candidates offer similar ideas
The Velveteen Ocelot
Apr 2019
#13
Good analysis. Smart politicians understand the value of whatever the current political
Ninga
Apr 2019
#15
That's exactly the problem. He says the same things he's been saying
The Velveteen Ocelot
Apr 2019
#69
Yes, that can be a problem. It can indicate that one doesn't learn readily, and may be rejecting any
ehrnst
Apr 2019
#74
What policies have Bernie voiced that democrats have not supported for decades?
Blue_true
Apr 2019
#122
Bernie has the highest ranking and support from the black community. Bernie is the man
onit2day
Apr 2019
#35
Without question! Yet some only post to endlessly bash Bernie, never havin ANYTHING positive to say
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2019
#57
Yeeeahhh riiighht!! Let's blame Bernie for the weather too when it rains!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2019
#59
Well, Bernie didn't give entitle banksters a YUGE giveaway by signing the 2005 bankruptcy bill. nt
yaesu
Apr 2019
#45
His position on tariffs and trade treaties is little different than Trump's. People wising up?
olegramps
Apr 2019
#39
I have never put much credibility into "favorability" polls. It is too subjective, and changes like
still_one
Apr 2019
#42
I am am enraged by your post the idea that Clinton's loss and Trump's win which left us with
Demsrule86
Apr 2019
#81
Yeah...that position is so Sarandonesque. So repulsive. "Let the world burn, as long as it doesn't
lunamagica
Apr 2019
#130
Nearing the first turn Bernie's dropping back in the pack as Biden surges on the inside rail
jalan48
Apr 2019
#92
Vetting. Not done last time. "If they only knew me!" Now they're starting to
robbedvoter
Apr 2019
#137
"People that are supposedly his own side"? He's been against the Democrats his whole career, except
LongtimeAZDem
Apr 2019
#142
Nobody who uses terms like "Establishment Democrats" gets to call others divisive, IMO
LongtimeAZDem
Apr 2019
#144
Based on the last primary these favoribilty polls dont seem to be a barrier in winning the nominatio
CentralMass
Apr 2019
#151
If an Independent is running for the Democratic nomination.....become a Democrat..
ProudMNDemocrat
Apr 2019
#153