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thesquanderer

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25. re: "whereas of those who support Sanders more watch Fox (22% vs. 16% and 13%)"
Tue May 14, 2019, 06:17 PM
May 2019

That's not right. The poll says 22% of the Fox viewers who expect to vote in the Dem primary support Sanders. That is not at all the same as saying that 22% of the viewers of those three outlets who support Sanders watch Fox (and that only 16% and 13% watch the other two). That's flipping the correlation backwards. It's as if you read that 5% of the people on DU were from Canada, and therefore concluded that 5% of the people in Canada were on DU. I hope you see why you can't flip things that way. It's a math thing.

As for the other points...

Yes, we're talking percents, not raw numbers. But, so...? The percents still tell you that, in raw numbers, almost twice as many Fox viewers who expect to vote in the Dem primary intend to vote for Biden compared to the number who intend to vote for Sanders. Since we don't have raw numbers, we can only make that kind of statement within a given network's viewership (because they are all some percent of the same unknown number). We don't know, in absolute terms, whether in this survey it is the MSNBC or FOX viewers who include a greater number of Biden voters than the other (or greater number of Sanders voters than the other). Maybe that data is available in the poll's supporting docs. But I don't think that info is relevant to the points either of us is trying to make.

As for whether Fox viewers who are voting in Dem primaries are choosing the candidate they would actually prefer over Trump, or choosing who they think Trump could more easily beat, we have no way of knowing, regardless of whether they picked Biden (as the largest group of them did) or Sanders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
From my twitter feed Gothmog May 2019 #1
I'm sure I'm going to learn today why this is awesome. MrsCoffee May 2019 #3
LOL! Kahuna7 May 2019 #6
He's leading the way for reaching across the aisle, always on the cutting edge. George II May 2019 #7
This makes me smile Gothmog May 2019 #15
He still doesn't so nearly as well with Fox viewers as Biden does. (n/t) thesquanderer May 2019 #17
In case you missed the point, Biden's Fox % is lower than his % for CNN and MSNBC.... George II May 2019 #18
But Sanders Fox% is still not nearly as high as Biden's. So what does that mean? thesquanderer May 2019 #22
Right, his number isn't as high as Biden's, but these are %, not raw numbers.... George II May 2019 #24
re: "whereas of those who support Sanders more watch Fox (22% vs. 16% and 13%)" thesquanderer May 2019 #25
Imagine that! NurseJackie May 2019 #2
This is not good news for Chris Hayes. George II May 2019 #4
Quite Me. May 2019 #5
Lol. Time to spin until even he's dizzy. Hortensis May 2019 #28
That's because Fox Viewers want him running against Trump. MineralMan May 2019 #8
+10000 Celerity May 2019 #9
Yep. Remember Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" in 2008... JaneQPublic May 2019 #11
Limbaugh and Fox News are Morons! MineralMan May 2019 #12
Look at the poll... more Fox viewers like Biden than Sanders. thesquanderer May 2019 #16
That's my first thought. nt cwydro May 2019 #21
I never watch Fox News, Progressive dog May 2019 #10
That's amazing when you consider he practically has a weekly spot tishaLA May 2019 #13
Why not say something positive about Joe Biden instead of digging up trivial dirt on Sanders? mtnsnake May 2019 #14
Looks like Fox viewers are influenced by Russian bots NYMinute May 2019 #19
Fox-watchers live to "own the libs." That's why they love 45, and they view Bernie as a disruptor. VOX May 2019 #20
You nailed that one! Thekaspervote May 2019 #29
Might be because his press secretary refuses to wholeheartedly support dems... KitSileya May 2019 #23
"But he's too liberal to win flyover country!!" Tiggeroshii May 2019 #26
He was in 2016 also. sarabelle May 2019 #27
Totally Cool With That corbettkroehler May 2019 #30
Burn it down mentality nt. Trenzalore May 2019 #31
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