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Kahuna7

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52. Define Mass Incarceration. How incarceration is too much? nt

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Tue May 21, 2019, 06:15 AM

May 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Has the Democratic Party Accepted Mass Incarceration as a Norm? [View all] DemocraticSocialist8 May 2019 OP

I saw a statistic a couple of years ago, watoos May 2019 #1

Yes...it's a monstrosity that has also led to an increase of police state violence against POC DemocraticSocialist8 May 2019 #3

Wow - so the Crime Bill led to police violence against POC? Are you unaware Skya Rhen May 2019 #34

You do know that Bernie voted for the bill, right? And once Kahuna7 May 2019 #2

Yes, so Bernie isn't without blame but he says the only reason he did was for the VAW Act DemocraticSocialist8 May 2019 #4

So him being for the VAW excuses mass encarceration??? Kahuna7 May 2019 #6

No but you have to balance it with everything else DemocraticSocialist8 May 2019 #7

He bragged about his record when he was trying to win his senate races. Kahuna7 May 2019 #9

It's not a lame excuse DemocraticSocialist8 May 2019 #21

How is incarceration of masses including black Nuggets May 2019 #30

There's always a caveat with him when some of his bad votes are pointed out. George II May 2019 #11

And it is so disingenuous all the time NYMinute May 2019 #12

By caveat surely you mean attempts to gaslight. BannonsLiver May 2019 #35

The VAWA that was largely written and pushed through by Biden. SouthernProgressive May 2019 #33

Did he offer amendments to improve the bill? Jose Garcia May 2019 #39

What's Important Vidal May 2019 #5

I agree. That is an important question DemocraticSocialist8 May 2019 #8

It is not fear, I like Biden and strongly dislike Sanders who would only receive a vote from me in Demsrule86 May 2019 #50

It's BS that Biden "helped create" the mass incarceration system. highplainsdem May 2019 #10

So him co-authoring the 94 Crime Bill isn't helping to make the situation worse? DemocraticSocialist8 May 2019 #18

Why did Bernie vote for the bill? DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 #19

Under Obama, mass incarceration has decreased for the first time in nearly 50 years Skya Rhen May 2019 #27

The words you yourself used were "helped create." That implies Biden helped highplainsdem May 2019 #23

Biden was integral to mass incarcerations propagation DemocraticSocialist8 May 2019 #42

No he wasn't and this won't help Sanders, Demsrule86 May 2019 #49

The 1994 crime bill expired in 2014, 15 years ago. Some of the provisions in it were extended.... George II May 2019 #28

A message must have come from the HQ NYMinute May 2019 #13

The anti-Biden arguments are all over Twitter, where the left wing of the party and leftist non- highplainsdem May 2019 #15

yeah .. I agree but NYMinute May 2019 #22

Not trying to be argumentative, but just saying being against mass incarceration isn't enough still_one May 2019 #14

I've been asking people what they mean about "mass encarceration". It's an ominous term.... George II May 2019 #29

It is a complicated issue, and I am not sure what it entails still_one May 2019 #31

People like talking about the "mass incarceration" that came about because of.... George II May 2019 #16

Thanks! Great points. highplainsdem May 2019 #25

Black leaders and the black community supported the Crime Bill Skya Rhen May 2019 #17

Well stated Crime in 1994 was very high, and the reasons numerous. Hopefully we learn from it. c-rational May 2019 #26

Yep. I remember. There was a crime epidemic in our communities. Dream Girl May 2019 #32

It wasn't just black communities, either... Drunken Irishman May 2019 #36

True that. I stand 100% behind the VICTIMS of crime. nt oasis May 2019 #41

The NAACP was against the bill DemocraticSocialist8 May 2019 #43

I don't think it has so much to do with Turbineguy May 2019 #20

Studies actually show that mass incarceration didn't reduce crime though DemocraticSocialist8 May 2019 #44

This is a great analysis of the history of the crime bill and it's effects.... George II May 2019 #24

From 1988 to 1994, mass incarceration went from 600,000 to 1 million... Drunken Irishman May 2019 #37

Thanks for this - I prefer factual figures rather than talking points - the numbers speak for Skya Rhen May 2019 #40

Ummm...Joe Biden was in office all of those years and advocated for tough-on-crime laws DemocraticSocialist8 May 2019 #45

Bernie was in office for some of that period, too. Drunken Irishman May 2019 #46

Sanders signed the crime bill...he ran on it. Demsrule86 May 2019 #48

It's not the same and I've already said Bernie SHOULD be criticized for signing the bill DemocraticSocialist8 May 2019 #59

Look, I don't know what your game is here... Drunken Irishman May 2019 #61

Thanks for providing facts to refute that smearing of Biden's 1991 bill... Skya Rhen May 2019 #63

I don't know where you live, but being tough on crime isn't a bad thing. Kahuna7 May 2019 #53

Willie Horton loyalsister May 2019 #38

Sanders signed the crime bill and ran on it as late as 06.. Demsrule86 May 2019 #47

What is Bernie Sanders doing about the disproportionate amount of African Americans, compared to Skya Rhen May 2019 #51

Define Mass Incarceration. How incarceration is too much? nt Kahuna7 May 2019 #52

I would say no. Freethinker65 May 2019 #54

I've slowly been getting into decarceration/abolitionist work and find it fascinating and urgently WhiskeyGrinder May 2019 #55

With a name like "DemocraticSocialist8" it has to be good. McCamy Taylor May 2019 #56

No. This is a good example of the "Loaded Question" fallacy emulatorloo May 2019 #57

Current Party Platform SouthernProgressive May 2019 #58

It appears you were a child radical noodle May 2019 #60

I completely agree with your analysis. And the Obama/Biden admin made great stride in reducing mass Skya Rhen May 2019 #62