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Gothmog

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104. You do know that I was a Clinton delegate to the national convention and saw this behavior myself
Tue May 21, 2019, 08:01 PM
May 2019

In real campaigns, delegates to the national convention are carefully vetted. The reason is that under DNC rules even pledged delegates can change their votes and these delegates represent the campaign. I know that I was vetted and I help vet other delegates. The Clinton delegates were asked to be good examples of the Clinton campaign and to represent her values.

In contrast, sanders did not try to control his delegates. sanders sent one very weak text the Sunday night before the convention and then did little or nothing to control his delegates. It was nasty I was there when the sanders delegates booed Congressman John Lewis. I was warned about this stunt 30 minutes before it happened by the Clinton campaign whip team. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stop this event and declined. This was a planned stunt that sanders declined to stop.

I was at the Texas delegation breakfast when a group of sanders delegates marched in and demanded that we condemn Clinton and change our votes to sanders.




sanders spoke to the Texas delegation the next morning and his speech was again solely about himself. There was a mini-riot due to his delegates the prior morning and the only thing that sanders talked about was himself. sanders did nothing to deal with the fact that his delegates were out of control and did nothing to try to help Hillary Clinton win the general election.

Finally a group of sanders delegates yelled at my daughter and called her the c-Word because she would not try to get me to change my vote. My daughter was my guest to the convention and did get a guest pass for the first night and got hear M. Obama. Again sanders was asked to tell his delegates to behave during the convention and sanders refused.

There were a ton of people at the national convention who saw this behavior and saw that sanders either approved of this behavior or took no steps to stop it. The Texas delegation shared a bus to the convention site with the Georgia delegation. I was on a bus with a number of delegates from Georgia and they were pissed at the booing of John Lewis These delegates heard the same story about sanders declining to try to stop the booing of John Lewis.

I doubt that sanders will last past Super Tuesday. Many of the voters who supported sanders last cycle are now supporting other candidates



Three years ago, Bernie Sanders came a handful of votes away from winning the first Democratic caucuses. He came back to the state just months after the 2016 election, then a few months after that, then a few more times. In a 23-way contest, if Sanders repeated his 2016 caucus performance, he’d win handily.

But not everyone who backed him last time is on board.

“The last election was very different,” said Anna Mullen, a 30-year-old farm policy advocate who came to see South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg in Des Moines on Friday. “We basically had three candidates to choose from; I caucused for Bernie because he wasn’t the establishment candidate.”

As Sanders stumps across the country, telling crowds how an “unprecedented grass-roots effort” could capture the presidency, many of the voters who signed up for the last version of the revolution are migrating to other candidates. New candidates are attracting some of his former voters — sometimes even former staffers — with the promise of something fresh. The Democrats who wanted to cast an anti-establishment vote, or advance Sanders's ideas, or simply stop Hillary Clinton's march to the nomination, have plenty of new options.

The recent polling shows that sanders campaign is losing support.

If sanders wants to try to remedy this problem, he may want to apologize to John Lewis and the party for his refusal to try to control his delegates. I am a father and I am not happy at my daughter being attacked by sanders delegates and called the c-word at the national convention. I am not holding my breath for such an apology.

sanders was mathematically eliminated on Super Tuesday. Now it is very likely that sanders will not get any delegates in a number of early primaries or states. I will support the nominee of the party but I really doubt that it will be sanders. According to reports, the sanders campaign was planning on splitting the African American vote and win the nomination with only 30% of the delegates.


I really doubt that sanders will get close to 30% of the delegates and will probably be shut out of getting any delegates. in a good number of states due to the 15% rule

Again, support the candidate you want. I doubt that sanders makes it to Super Tuesday but time will tell. Right now the polling seems consistent as to the decline in support for sanders and I doubt that sanders attacking the Democratic Party will help his numbers.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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I hate these drive-by posts. stopbush May 2019 #1
Not to worry... we already know. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #2
+1 KPN May 2019 #6
I see so much projection on this forum. Hassin Bin Sober May 2019 #14
. SouthernProgressive May 2019 #24
I see the projection too now! lapucelle May 2019 #102
Talk about projection. Nuggets May 2019 #32
Yup, I hear ya HBS...it's what I call the "Bernie Standard," which, by definition... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #50
I pretend criticisms are attacks too... especially when directed against sacred cows. LanternWaste May 2019 #51
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Like I said, it's called the "Bernie Standard" for a reason! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #57
Offense only defense when facing superior foe. George Eliot May 2019 #66
And that doesn't give you a clue? wasupaloopa May 2019 #101
+1 more George Eliot May 2019 #63
A question is a good way to open a discussion. MineralMan May 2019 #4
I have an answer, yes. stopbush May 2019 #13
The discussion is already going on, below. MineralMan May 2019 #15
I thought it was his right to start discussion any way he wants? Why critical? George Eliot May 2019 #67
I'm not being critical. I'm saying the same thing you are. MineralMan May 2019 #77
Then let it go. George Eliot May 2019 #90
I don't think Bernie DownriverDem May 2019 #36
Yep and double yep. Nt. kstewart33 May 2019 #52
LOL, Bernie's ALREADY building momentum in Iowa and is about to catch up & pull ahead!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #58
We know exactly what he will say, because we've heard and seen it all before. ehrnst May 2019 #74
I remember this title from four years ago..... brooklynite May 2019 #78
Bookmarked. cwydro May 2019 #88
Thanks! Same to your candidate... gotta say Joes sittin' pretty so far. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #91
I can hope. cwydro May 2019 #92
You and me both!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #94
Don't see it happening, frankly. IluvPitties May 2019 #3
+1000 Nuggets May 2019 #33
Promise not to run in 2020 ucrdem May 2019 #5
Nothing to reclaim, he never had a lead or co-lead. George II May 2019 #7
I'm not sure that Senator Sanders actually ever had a lead MineralMan May 2019 #8
I also do not believe that sanders was ever in the lead Gothmog May 2019 #16
Well, his chief problem is that there are several other MineralMan May 2019 #22
The thing I personally like the MOST about Bernie The Mouth May 2019 #127
How about you get it rolling DSB? What are KPN May 2019 #9
It's beyond my ken. That's why I asked the question. DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 #12
Nothing. It won't happen. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #10
Bernie never had a lead or co-lead Vidal May 2019 #11
sanders should consider stopping attacking Democrats and the Democratic Party Gothmog May 2019 #17
Yeah I don't see how that is helping him Nuggets May 2019 #34
It is not helping him Gothmog May 2019 #82
Especially as he is getting financial advantages from the party he's attacking. nt. kstewart33 May 2019 #53
Exit the stage so he can become the subject of mythology. There he can always be "in the lead." Maru Kitteh May 2019 #18
exactly, if he leaves , he will be canonized Fresh_Start May 2019 #44
I don't think my suggestion would be very helpful genxlib May 2019 #19
Oh, my! MyOwnPeace May 2019 #41
He never had the lead, but there's also nothing he can do it bearsfootball516 May 2019 #20
I've already said before that I don't think he can win, and he can only hurt us by trying LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #21
If that were TRUE, though it's not, then the same could be said for Biden. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #59
If sanders is the nominee, rump will win 45 states Gothmog May 2019 #83
Suuurrrre... I know from those kinda comments that you fear Bernie will win the primary. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #85
I am so glad that sanders will not be the nominee so we do not need to worry about this Gothmog May 2019 #86
You just made my point AGAIN, thanks!! So, keep bashing Bernie, over and over and over again... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #87
I know too many real democrats who have long memories and who will not forget or forgive Gothmog May 2019 #95
That's great Gothmog, I appreciate your honesty that you look forward to negative ads InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #96
You do know that I was a Clinton delegate to the national convention and saw this behavior myself Gothmog May 2019 #104
Wow! I didn't know Democrats in a delegation were capable of such oasis May 2019 #107
It was not a fun experience Gothmog May 2019 #108
This is chilling. Elijah Cummings, a Dem hero, got booed? oasis May 2019 #109
That 15% rule is going to hurt badly. I'm not that close to how the rule works for delegates... George II May 2019 #110
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BTW, if sanders keeps on losing voter support, there will be no need for negative ads Gothmog May 2019 #117
+1000. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #119
.... ehrnst May 2019 #118
Yet more polling is coming out showing the sanders is losing ground Gothmog May 2019 #129
Push em back! Push em back! BannonsLiver May 2019 #89
To win he needs qazplm135 May 2019 #23
I was a big Bernie supporter in '16. I can remember feeling oh so crushed PatrickforO May 2019 #25
Thank you. DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 #27
I wish this could be inserted in the OP True Dough May 2019 #31
Bernie's positions on economic justice, which I absolutely share, are now very much in the mainstrea Nuggets May 2019 #35
Well, as a student of history, I have to disagree. PatrickforO May 2019 #39
I am supporting Warren and Harris. I hope voters realize that if any D wins and we don't get the seaglass May 2019 #75
I'm sure with you on bringing the Trump crime family to justice, PatrickforO May 2019 #103
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Reach out to loyal democrats not just independents GeniusJoy May 2019 #26
Loyal Democrats DownriverDem May 2019 #38
Ever watch "Designated Survivor"? mwooldri May 2019 #28
" I'm leaning more toward Elizabeth Warren or Pete Buttigieg at this point in time." DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 #29
Especially since many Sanders supporters here at DU portray Warren as comradebillyboy May 2019 #81
He could start by changing his presentation and affect. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #30
He too cranky and angry. He has a right to be upset over 2016, but this is a new moment. Irishxs May 2019 #37
he contributed to 2016 results Fresh_Start May 2019 #47
Agree. Irishxs May 2019 #62
He has only himself to be upset at. MrsCoffee May 2019 #65
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And....... MyOwnPeace May 2019 #43
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Wrrrrrrrrong LibFarmer May 2019 #80
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He should stop describing himself as a socialist. Turin_C3PO May 2019 #46
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There's nothing he can do. That ship has sailed...nt SidDithers May 2019 #55
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It's not possible, the jig is up. ecstatic May 2019 #60
What? Bashing the Dem Cha May 2019 #61
Bow out and throw his support to Warren and hope that she can continue his whatever legacy he has. W_HAMILTON May 2019 #64
I'm laughing so hard. Thread still emphasizing why Sanders can't win. I smell fear. George Eliot May 2019 #68
Biden and Sanders tied at 24% in Iowa. George Eliot May 2019 #70
Sanders down by TWENTY FIVE POINTS in IA, NH, NV, and SC DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 #72
Maybe - in my opinion. We'll see. Check this one out. George Eliot May 2019 #73
Yes George... BIG TIME FEAR!! Can't say I blame 'em though!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #98
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We are in a different time and a different place. democratisphere May 2019 #76
We sure are...which is precisely why we outta try something DIFFERENT this time around InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #97
Trying something different means leaving all the 2016 contenders democratisphere May 2019 #99
Not at all... it means goin with the candidate with the most forward-looking progressive agenda InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #100
You mean like Warren? TreasonousBastard May 2019 #112
YESSSSS!!! LOVE ELIZABETH!!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #113
Well, his CFEL effective rating as a legislator is... Hortensis May 2019 #105
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I have some serious questions about that Franken affair... TreasonousBastard May 2019 #122
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Well, Schumer tells us something about leaders -- Hortensis May 2019 #116
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This is interesting Gothmog May 2019 #115
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Become a Democrat, join the Democratic Party The Mouth May 2019 #125
Go back in time. djg21 May 2019 #128
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