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radical noodle

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60. It appears you were a child

Reply to DemocraticSocialist8 (Original post)

Wed May 22, 2019, 11:53 AM

May 2019

when the 1994 crime bill was passed. I was in my late 40s. There was a different conversation at the time and if some understood what the bill would do to escalate mass incarceration, I'm not sure there was widespread awareness of it. I think black communities suffered from crime at the time in a disproportionate way.

Sure, we understand now that it had negative effects but there was African American support for the bill as well. Biden needs to get on the bandwagon for fixing the problem, but I don't think should be blamed for his support for the bill at the time.

Read this by Yolanda Young:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/analysis-black-leaders-supported-clinton-s-crime-bill-n552961

I don't think it helps to continue to rail against past decisions. What matters to me is what we do to correct it. JMHO

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Has the Democratic Party Accepted Mass Incarceration as a Norm? [View all] DemocraticSocialist8 May 2019 OP

I saw a statistic a couple of years ago, watoos May 2019 #1

Yes...it's a monstrosity that has also led to an increase of police state violence against POC DemocraticSocialist8 May 2019 #3

Wow - so the Crime Bill led to police violence against POC? Are you unaware Skya Rhen May 2019 #34

You do know that Bernie voted for the bill, right? And once Kahuna7 May 2019 #2

Yes, so Bernie isn't without blame but he says the only reason he did was for the VAW Act DemocraticSocialist8 May 2019 #4

So him being for the VAW excuses mass encarceration??? Kahuna7 May 2019 #6

No but you have to balance it with everything else DemocraticSocialist8 May 2019 #7

He bragged about his record when he was trying to win his senate races. Kahuna7 May 2019 #9

It's not a lame excuse DemocraticSocialist8 May 2019 #21

How is incarceration of masses including black Nuggets May 2019 #30

There's always a caveat with him when some of his bad votes are pointed out. George II May 2019 #11

And it is so disingenuous all the time NYMinute May 2019 #12

By caveat surely you mean attempts to gaslight. BannonsLiver May 2019 #35

The VAWA that was largely written and pushed through by Biden. SouthernProgressive May 2019 #33

Did he offer amendments to improve the bill? Jose Garcia May 2019 #39

What's Important Vidal May 2019 #5

I agree. That is an important question DemocraticSocialist8 May 2019 #8

It is not fear, I like Biden and strongly dislike Sanders who would only receive a vote from me in Demsrule86 May 2019 #50

It's BS that Biden "helped create" the mass incarceration system. highplainsdem May 2019 #10

So him co-authoring the 94 Crime Bill isn't helping to make the situation worse? DemocraticSocialist8 May 2019 #18

Why did Bernie vote for the bill? DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 #19

Under Obama, mass incarceration has decreased for the first time in nearly 50 years Skya Rhen May 2019 #27

The words you yourself used were "helped create." That implies Biden helped highplainsdem May 2019 #23

Biden was integral to mass incarcerations propagation DemocraticSocialist8 May 2019 #42

No he wasn't and this won't help Sanders, Demsrule86 May 2019 #49

The 1994 crime bill expired in 2014, 15 years ago. Some of the provisions in it were extended.... George II May 2019 #28

A message must have come from the HQ NYMinute May 2019 #13

The anti-Biden arguments are all over Twitter, where the left wing of the party and leftist non- highplainsdem May 2019 #15

yeah .. I agree but NYMinute May 2019 #22

Not trying to be argumentative, but just saying being against mass incarceration isn't enough still_one May 2019 #14

I've been asking people what they mean about "mass encarceration". It's an ominous term.... George II May 2019 #29

It is a complicated issue, and I am not sure what it entails still_one May 2019 #31

People like talking about the "mass incarceration" that came about because of.... George II May 2019 #16

Thanks! Great points. highplainsdem May 2019 #25

Black leaders and the black community supported the Crime Bill Skya Rhen May 2019 #17

Well stated Crime in 1994 was very high, and the reasons numerous. Hopefully we learn from it. c-rational May 2019 #26

Yep. I remember. There was a crime epidemic in our communities. Dream Girl May 2019 #32

It wasn't just black communities, either... Drunken Irishman May 2019 #36

True that. I stand 100% behind the VICTIMS of crime. nt oasis May 2019 #41

The NAACP was against the bill DemocraticSocialist8 May 2019 #43

I don't think it has so much to do with Turbineguy May 2019 #20

Studies actually show that mass incarceration didn't reduce crime though DemocraticSocialist8 May 2019 #44

This is a great analysis of the history of the crime bill and it's effects.... George II May 2019 #24

From 1988 to 1994, mass incarceration went from 600,000 to 1 million... Drunken Irishman May 2019 #37

Thanks for this - I prefer factual figures rather than talking points - the numbers speak for Skya Rhen May 2019 #40

Ummm...Joe Biden was in office all of those years and advocated for tough-on-crime laws DemocraticSocialist8 May 2019 #45

Bernie was in office for some of that period, too. Drunken Irishman May 2019 #46

Sanders signed the crime bill...he ran on it. Demsrule86 May 2019 #48

It's not the same and I've already said Bernie SHOULD be criticized for signing the bill DemocraticSocialist8 May 2019 #59

Look, I don't know what your game is here... Drunken Irishman May 2019 #61

Thanks for providing facts to refute that smearing of Biden's 1991 bill... Skya Rhen May 2019 #63

I don't know where you live, but being tough on crime isn't a bad thing. Kahuna7 May 2019 #53

Willie Horton loyalsister May 2019 #38

Sanders signed the crime bill and ran on it as late as 06.. Demsrule86 May 2019 #47

What is Bernie Sanders doing about the disproportionate amount of African Americans, compared to Skya Rhen May 2019 #51

Define Mass Incarceration. How incarceration is too much? nt Kahuna7 May 2019 #52

I would say no. Freethinker65 May 2019 #54

I've slowly been getting into decarceration/abolitionist work and find it fascinating and urgently WhiskeyGrinder May 2019 #55

With a name like "DemocraticSocialist8" it has to be good. McCamy Taylor May 2019 #56

No. This is a good example of the "Loaded Question" fallacy emulatorloo May 2019 #57

Current Party Platform SouthernProgressive May 2019 #58

It appears you were a child radical noodle May 2019 #60

I completely agree with your analysis. And the Obama/Biden admin made great stride in reducing mass Skya Rhen May 2019 #62