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In reply to the discussion: Has the Democratic Party Accepted Mass Incarceration as a Norm? [View all]Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)61. Look, I don't know what your game is here...
But my response was to point out that Biden is not responsible for the increase in mass incarceration, and he isn't. If that's your argument, you're wrong. The Biden-Thurmond Violent Crime Control Act of 1991 didn't even pass, and was an extension of Biden's initial crime bill from that time that was killed due to strict gun control measures Republicans couldn't agree to.
The 1991 Biden Crime Bill also put some strict restrictions on the death penalty, including adding in habeas corpus provisions.
Here's some quotes about the fight for this bill:
On Nov. 24, conferees finally met to draft a joint crime bill. It went badly. Democrats were convinced that Republicans had decided to sabotage the bill because the president couldn't support gun control. Republicans claimed the Senate-House Democratic conspiracy wanted a weak bill to force a presidential veto.
The Republicans refused to cooperate, but the more numerous Democrats passed the bill anyway. "The Republicans tried to stall, so I finally said 'Here's the bill,' and we passed it," Biden said. "Yes, we just {steam}rolled it."
The Bush administration promised a veto and launched a ferocious lobbying effort to derail the bill in the House, but on Nov. 27 the fractious Democrats held together long enough to pass it, 205 to 203. Then, a few hours later, Senate Republicans threatened a filibuster and threw the bill into legislative limbo. There it remains.
Today, Democrats accuse the Republicans of bargaining in bad faith and getting cold feet when they realized that a Democrat-backed bill could pass. The real dispute, said Biden, was not habeas corpus, but "guns, guns, guns." If Bush accepted the Brady bill, Biden charged, the Republican right would abandon him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Has the Democratic Party Accepted Mass Incarceration as a Norm? [View all]
DemocraticSocialist8
May 2019
OP
Yes...it's a monstrosity that has also led to an increase of police state violence against POC
DemocraticSocialist8
May 2019
#3
Yes, so Bernie isn't without blame but he says the only reason he did was for the VAW Act
DemocraticSocialist8
May 2019
#4
It is not fear, I like Biden and strongly dislike Sanders who would only receive a vote from me in
Demsrule86
May 2019
#50
So him co-authoring the 94 Crime Bill isn't helping to make the situation worse?
DemocraticSocialist8
May 2019
#18
Under Obama, mass incarceration has decreased for the first time in nearly 50 years
Skya Rhen
May 2019
#27
The words you yourself used were "helped create." That implies Biden helped
highplainsdem
May 2019
#23
The 1994 crime bill expired in 2014, 15 years ago. Some of the provisions in it were extended....
George II
May 2019
#28
The anti-Biden arguments are all over Twitter, where the left wing of the party and leftist non-
highplainsdem
May 2019
#15
Not trying to be argumentative, but just saying being against mass incarceration isn't enough
still_one
May 2019
#14
I've been asking people what they mean about "mass encarceration". It's an ominous term....
George II
May 2019
#29
People like talking about the "mass incarceration" that came about because of....
George II
May 2019
#16
Well stated Crime in 1994 was very high, and the reasons numerous. Hopefully we learn from it.
c-rational
May 2019
#26
Studies actually show that mass incarceration didn't reduce crime though
DemocraticSocialist8
May 2019
#44
This is a great analysis of the history of the crime bill and it's effects....
George II
May 2019
#24
From 1988 to 1994, mass incarceration went from 600,000 to 1 million...
Drunken Irishman
May 2019
#37
Thanks for this - I prefer factual figures rather than talking points - the numbers speak for
Skya Rhen
May 2019
#40
Ummm...Joe Biden was in office all of those years and advocated for tough-on-crime laws
DemocraticSocialist8
May 2019
#45
It's not the same and I've already said Bernie SHOULD be criticized for signing the bill
DemocraticSocialist8
May 2019
#59
What is Bernie Sanders doing about the disproportionate amount of African Americans, compared to
Skya Rhen
May 2019
#51
I've slowly been getting into decarceration/abolitionist work and find it fascinating and urgently
WhiskeyGrinder
May 2019
#55