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shanny

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112. I am interested in "is" not "was"

Tue May 28, 2019, 08:17 AM

May 2019

and where Biden"is" now involves going back to the Paris agreement which is already--clearly--inadequate. Partnering with fossil fuel companies going forward is also a literal dead end.

The problem with plans and climate models is that the worst-case scenarios--over and over!--prove to be too optimistic; going back to previous goals in an accelerating situation is actually losing ground.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Why Joe Biden Is the Only True Progressive Candidate (Forbes) [View all] Drunken Irishman May 2019 OP

I like Joe. murielm99 May 2019 #1

Since we're discussing progressives and you brought up her name, so far in this session.... George II May 2019 #24

Lol, no. aidbo May 2019 #2

Funny, that's my reaction every time I hear Bernie speak. BannonsLiver May 2019 #8

Nope, it's not funny. Just sad. aidbo May 2019 #13

Surely you must be talking about Bernie's poll numbers. BannonsLiver May 2019 #19

4% with older voters (50 and above)... ouch Celerity May 2019 #23

Ouch is right, 4% in one's own age group is stunning. George II May 2019 #25

sometimes wisdom comes with age Fresh_Start May 2019 #28

K&R nt NYMinute May 2019 #3

Beto made a strong, succinct case for impeachment on Nicole Wallace. nt emmaverybo May 2019 #33

How'd Joe vote on the Hyde Amendment? 50 Shades Of Blue May 2019 #4

What about it? It was a wrong move. No one is going to have a perfect record. Politicub May 2019 #6

His votes against reproductive rights are still part of his record. 50 Shades Of Blue May 2019 #7

I think what the poster is saying is they aren't a single issue voter BannonsLiver May 2019 #9

"It's a novel concept for some folks, apparently." Cha May 2019 #42

"how Anita Hill's case against Thomas was handled" Demit May 2019 #12

I'm not sure what to tell you. I'm not Biden. I'm not even sure of what the point of your post is. Politicub May 2019 #14

The point of my post is that Joe Biden continues to evade responsibility Demit May 2019 #20

He doesn't evade responsibility for his actions ("negative" or not).... George II May 2019 #27

It has only become a Biden vs. Hill event in deconstruction. Anyone watch the hearings? Joe emmaverybo May 2019 #39

Thanks for the quote from Anita Hill, Geoge.. Cha May 2019 #43

I'm glad I gave you an opportunity to get that out of your system Politicub May 2019 #34

I've been vocal about him before, and will continue to be, Demit May 2019 #38

Years ago don't care... Joe is the only candidate who can repair the blue wall Demsrule86 May 2019 #91

Handled by whom? InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #101

Mahalo, Politicub! Cha May 2019 #40

Biden is a progressive, indeed. To be progressive is to make progress, not just talk about it. Politicub May 2019 #5

totally agree Fresh_Start May 2019 #29

I prefer the term liberal BannonsLiver May 2019 #10

Agree LakeArenal May 2019 #32

Maybe I am contrarian, but Forbes rurallib May 2019 #11

Truth's wherever we find it. Trump saying the economy Hortensis May 2019 #17

Bernie Sanders wrote part of the ACA Eric J in MN May 2019 #48

What part of the ACA did Senator Sanders write? That claim is a first, never heard that. nt Blue_true May 2019 #50

The part funding community health centers. NT Eric J in MN May 2019 #53

Yes, Sanders did contribute that, so no else did. Hortensis May 2019 #66

In 2017, Bernie Sanders did rallies Eric J in MN May 2019 #67

Did it ever occur to you that if the Republicans had Hortensis May 2019 #68

So your theory is that Eric J in MN May 2019 #75

Most of what you wrote was not claimed by Hortensis. Blue_true May 2019 #80

That's not my memory either, though I believe he did Hortensis May 2019 #82

Well Done, Hortensis.. Mahalo! Cha May 2019 #77

sorry to break it to you Fresh_Start May 2019 #31

thanks for the attitude rurallib May 2019 #36

I thought the exact same thing. /nt tonedevil May 2019 #51

"Tend to be dismissive" is putting it mildly... Forbes had ZERO credibility with me!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #110

I'm skeptical of Fortune magazine bias on what counts for political progressivism aikoaiko May 2019 #15

Being ranked among the 25 most liberal Senators hardly makes you a big progressive pnwmom May 2019 #16

That's the first thing that came to my mind, too, when I read the second paragraph of the OP mtnsnake May 2019 #69

+10000 Celerity May 2019 #79

this author thinks Tim Sloan was a great CEO KayF May 2019 #18

that one leaves a mark shanny May 2019 #83

Biden is of the Establishment ProfessorPlum May 2019 #21

Ohhhh "Establishment".. Cha May 2019 #44

You're confusing "establishment" with "established" progressoid May 2019 #73

Sure can.. but I'm not "confused".. Cha May 2019 #76

I want a long-time established Democrat riverine May 2019 #54

The establishment as you call it produced Democratic majorities. The tear it down Demsrule86 May 2019 #92

So Ted Kennedy was not an "Authentic 20th century progressive" crazytown May 2019 #22

Sorry wrong place . . . ucrdem May 2019 #59

whoops that's twice ucrdem May 2019 #60

I think my reply was in exactly the right place crazytown May 2019 #62

No worries. For the record, the article doesn't mention the Kennedys at all. ucrdem May 2019 #63

No indeed. The article is written as if the left stream of progressives didn't exist crazytown May 2019 #64

Fortune Magazine?? HopeAgain May 2019 #26

It sure is!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #107

Sharp analysis from Forbes, America's true progressive news source Fiendish Thingy May 2019 #30

More or less progressive.... LakeArenal May 2019 #35

Forbes... say no more! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #37

+1000 Tarheel_Dem May 2019 #41

Great Factual analysis! Can't Cha May 2019 #45

LMAO Ace Rothstein May 2019 #46

Votes by Joe Biden include for Eric J in MN May 2019 #47

"Gutting" welfare--fixed it for ya-- shanny May 2019 #84

That's part of the reason Joe has serious work to do to convince progressive Democrats InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #111

Unfortunately, that Republican Party referenced in the article is gone. Replaced by extremists... Honeycombe8 May 2019 #49

No, Biden is not a Progressive. He's a centrist Democrat. Period, the end, finished. YOHABLO May 2019 #52

Na'. He's a progressive. Drunken Irishman May 2019 #55

He's a progressive compared to Republicans, but not to most other Democrats. n/t pnwmom May 2019 #71

Biden is smack in the middle of Democrats today riverine May 2019 #56

That's what you think. YOHABLO May 2019 #58

+10000, Forbes is a centre-right (if not outright RW) rag trying to gaslight Celerity May 2019 #78

True dat!! How is this even debatable?! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #108

Biden IS A true progressive, and someone with sense--both necessary qualities. Irishxs May 2019 #57

I can see the logic. On guns and climate change alone he's at the head of the pack. ucrdem May 2019 #61

On climate change he's at the head of the pack? shanny May 2019 #85

Politifact: History says yes. ucrdem May 2019 #88

I am interested in "is" not "was" shanny May 2019 #112

Having been through bankruptcy, and seeing it loom large once again, GreenPartyVoter May 2019 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver May 2019 #70

American 20th century progressives loyalsister May 2019 #72

So where did you cut and paste this little tidbit from? You should at least note resources. YOHABLO May 2019 #86

There are plenty of sources loyalsister May 2019 #87

This has nothing whatsoevery to do with Biden. Period. nt ucrdem May 2019 #89

Your complaint is with the article cited in the OP loyalsister May 2019 #94

Someone who favors credit card companies over consumers doesn't really get the progressive nod. progressoid May 2019 #74

Oh FFS shanny May 2019 #81

Because of the markets? ucrdem May 2019 #90

the "markets" that have done such great things shanny May 2019 #93

Without getting too snarky here it's a reference to a remark ucrdem May 2019 #95

I'm not very interested in the health of the markets shanny May 2019 #96

Agree, but nevertheless, the show must go on. ucrdem May 2019 #97

Barack and Joe propped up the status quo. shanny May 2019 #98

Did you forget that they ended the Iraq war in 2009? ucrdem May 2019 #99

uh, just an FYI, dimson bush OKed the deal to end the Iraq War shanny May 2019 #100

There's a segment of the left who hates Obama as much as Fat Donnie BannonsLiver May 2019 #103

We need a revolution, not a "return to normalcy"! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #102

I agree. shanny May 2019 #105

And I do think Elizabeth gets us there. Could EASILY see her as #1 on the ticket... she's THAT good! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #106

Yep Ace Rothstein May 2019 #113

How do some people not see this?! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #114

Because they think Russia and Comey are the only reasons that Hillary lost in 2016. Ace Rothstein May 2019 #115

They WANT to think that... so true, as you say, that it shouldn't have even been close!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #116

Seriously!! What could be Forbes motivation?! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #109

Could someone define the difference between a progressive and a liberal? happyaccident May 2019 #104