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ancianita

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15. Looks like media pile on over a questionable charge to me.

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 05:45 PM

Jun 2019

Why is a science based document from anyone subject to copyright? It's fact-based, not
creative or original under copyright law to begin with. Credit is nice, yes, but this doesn't rise to the level of a charge of plagiarism.

Biden's people's only "error" was technical.

Campaign plans don't rise to the same accountability as journalism or college. These flaggers were demanding something the Biden people didn't owe them.

Any scientific factual basis of any NGO's document -- how is that NGO's document subject to copyright?

Do their docs declare copyright registration? I find it hard to believe.

Aren't NGO's federally funded even if they don't formally represent government? Don't their documents belong to the public?

Are tweets of copyrighted documents subject to copyright? Seriously?

This sounds fishy. NYT has reported some weird stuff lately.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Plagiarism charge hits Biden climate change plan [View all] brooklynite Jun 2019 OP

Hmmmmm Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2019 #1

Ummmm BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #45

Actually it's from BlueGreen Alliance! Cha Jun 2019 #90

I have respected that group for several years. Blue_true Jun 2019 #102

You're Welcome, Blue_true.. Cha Jun 2019 #105

A hugh scandal!!11 mcar Jun 2019 #126

Thank you Cha! nt kstewart33 Jun 2019 #149

Imagine if this was Bernie... then look out!! But hey, it's Joe... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #55

Ancient history!1!!LL! Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2019 #87

LOL!! You know it!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #88

I have to agree with you susanr516 Jun 2019 #92

If only it WERE Sanders. Biden's done FAR more for all Hortensis Jun 2019 #133

So where IS the Green New Deal that's been "long used"? Using a term of art & pushing for the actual InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #137

Where IS it? It's WHERE the vote went, wherever that is. Hortensis Jun 2019 #143

+1 betsuni Jun 2019 #153

When did this become a discussion about BS? George II Jun 2019 #135

You're ABSOLUTELY right... my bad!! This shouldn't become a discussion about Bernie... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #147

Hmmmm indeed. Thank goodness it's not 1988. progressoid Jun 2019 #139

Another action that shows he hasn't learned. Lordquinton Jun 2019 #154

Also his comment that once tRump is gone the other side of the aisle will cross over & work with him JudyM Jun 2019 #158

Front page of the NYT's zentrum Jun 2019 #2

Reporting the news? brooklynite Jun 2019 #5

LOL mobeau69 Jun 2019 #9

Meanwhile Trump encourages people to break the law TheRealNorth Jun 2019 #47

+1 Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #109

Weird--eh? zentrum Jun 2019 #49

Didn't know that was allowed... thought only if it reflects negatively on Bernie!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #57

+1 CentralMass Jun 2019 #127

LOL. How right you are. zentrum Jun 2019 #146

Sadly, yes. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #148

Did he say he was at the "March on Washington with MLK"? George II Jun 2019 #136

Oops. jalan48 Jun 2019 #3

Statement from BlueGreen Alliance.. Cha Jun 2019 #98

So it's "much ado about nothing" except for supporters of other candidates. Thanks for that tweet! George II Jun 2019 #134

An error that was quickly corrected peggysue2 Jun 2019 #4

Are you implying that this is "bashing" / "assasination" / "a hit job"? brooklynite Jun 2019 #7

I'm saying straight out this is much to do about nothing peggysue2 Jun 2019 #24

This words show up here regularly when someone doesn't like a story about their candidate... brooklynite Jun 2019 #32

I repeat: peggysue2 Jun 2019 #42

:+1 CentralMass Jun 2019 #128

If this was Bernie's campaign that did this, we'd never hear the end of it. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #61

Apparently Eko Jun 2019 #72

Or from Bernie supporters trying to make it all about them sweetloukillbot Jun 2019 #113

Absolutely yes...and considering that in my opinion no other candidate can beat Trump ...a form Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #117

It's not at all like alleging Biden's roll-out was shaky. LanternWaste Jun 2019 #121

Unfortunately, there's a lot. It can't be posted though. Do some research. mobeau69 Jun 2019 #11

Again zipplewrath Jun 2019 #78

People make mistakes and I have no problem with that. Campaigns are not.... EarnestPutz Jun 2019 #6

Few people make the same high profile mistake twice wellst0nev0ter Jun 2019 #48

Not this bad movie again! Just what I've been afraid of. mobeau69 Jun 2019 #8

Almost as bad a pneumonia. LanternWaste Jun 2019 #122

What is the issue??? they left out some citations but was updated.. Peacetrain Jun 2019 #10

At best it's sloppy work and indicative of poor management at the top. mobeau69 Jun 2019 #13

I am from Iowa... what is the Iowa State Fair Fiasco?? Peacetrain Jun 2019 #16

Can't be posted here. Research it if you really want to know. mobeau69 Jun 2019 #18

Why can't you post it here? cwydro Jun 2019 #114

I just googled Joe Biden + Iowa State Fair. Found an article CentralMass Jun 2019 #129

I have done big reports like that. It can be tough getting all notes on sources right. Blue_true Jun 2019 #104

No one is without baggage. honest.abe Jun 2019 #116

The "issue" is for those Cha Jun 2019 #28

Exactly. Like the pukes. mobeau69 Jun 2019 #41

Exactly like Bernie has been treated... I can appreciate your outrage. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #64

No sense of irony. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2019 #93

None at all... and it will only get worse as Bernie continues to gain in the polls. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #99

Bernie Joediss Jun 2019 #130

Cough, cough, the polls are going the other way. George II Jun 2019 #138

Yep. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2019 #142

You mean these polls? ehrnst Jun 2019 #140

its a big nothing burger.. Peacetrain Jun 2019 #44

A big "nothing burger" that some Cha Jun 2019 #81

fake news (Murdoch) is Iliyah Jun 2019 #63

That's funny, Iliyah! Cha Jun 2019 #82

Leaving out a citation is fine if the language is in quotes. The absence of both looks more JudyM Jun 2019 #159

Amateurish campaign errors are better done early RedParrot Jun 2019 #12

But Joe and his campaign supposedly have all the experience that others, like Pete, lack! mobeau69 Jun 2019 #20

Pete has run a flawless campaign, as far as I can tell and that's sayin something InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #66

I wouldn't call it "flawless". I would call it lucky. RLG Jun 2019 #75

Lucky?! hahaha... riiight!! Mayor Pete has run a great campaign based on hard work InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #77

No, it's luck because of the demise of one candidate. RLG Jun 2019 #83

Have no idea who or what you're talking about, sorry... I know Mayor Pete is third InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #84

And if he was not in the race, who would be your third candidate? RLG Jun 2019 #86

I don't see how askin that question answers my question about what you meant by your last response. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #103

OK, how can it be a "flawless" campaign without African American support? RLG Jun 2019 #108

His campaign execution is flawless, his career is not. marylandblue Jun 2019 #118

Unfortunate coincidence it's Biden Otto Lidenbrock Jun 2019 #14

It's not about the policy but nice try. nt mobeau69 Jun 2019 #17

Looks like media pile on over a questionable charge to me. ancianita Jun 2019 #15

Wow, just wow. demmiblue Jun 2019 #39

Also, copyright policy for literature says non copyrighted public domain information is fair game. Blue_true Jun 2019 #106

I get it. Money. Giving proper credit where credit is due shouldn't be hard. ancianita Jun 2019 #120

I get your frustration. Blue_true Jun 2019 #156

I know I sound like a broken record on this, but Inslee truly has a way out of this for us. ancianita Jun 2019 #157

btw some people are saying he lifted it from beto Otto Lidenbrock Jun 2019 #19

"Some people are saying..." puh-lease, that's a right wing talking point. Want to keep up divisive ancianita Jun 2019 #52

UPDATE FROM ONE OF THE GROUPS Otto Lidenbrock Jun 2019 #21

Says it all. They were proposing, and Biden is promising. There's no harm and no foul. marble falls Jun 2019 #23

Using their work is not the issue. Proper citation is. nt mobeau69 Jun 2019 #29

Which was corrected tout suite and with what seems to me to be a sincere apology. marble falls Jun 2019 #31

Try that excuse on a high school, let alone college, research paper and see what it'll get you. mobeau69 Jun 2019 #38

but this wasn't a school research paper where the student is being graded on doing the work themselv JI7 Jun 2019 #58

The work should still be cited. mobeau69 Jun 2019 #62

No it didn't qazplm135 Jun 2019 #65

Which, if I understand it correctly from the bio I watched on Biden Sugarcoated Jun 2019 #91

This isn't the red-meat you wish it to be. LanternWaste Jun 2019 #124

Try harder. MrsCoffee Jun 2019 #131

Good thing this isn't high school or college. marble falls Jun 2019 #73

Thanks! Scurrilous Jun 2019 #33

Jebus. Is it an impeachable offence? marble falls Jun 2019 #22

No, but it's a mark of sloppiness wellst0nev0ter Jun 2019 #50

One might also think he didn't personally write the copy to campaign literature. marble falls Jun 2019 #74

He likely never read it before it was posted either. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2019 #80

I would bet on that. marble falls Jun 2019 #119

Biden should Prosper Jun 2019 #111

It's a good plan and Biden will work with many groups... SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #25

Opps! Forgot the footnotes. nt OhZone Jun 2019 #26

Oh-oh. But it's early, and I'm sure staffers wrote that plan up. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #27

I don't see this as a major gaffe and, yes, will likely fade away... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #70

meh 4now Jun 2019 #30

A little perspective here. Mr.Bill Jun 2019 #34

If the stuff supposedly plagiarized are good for climate and citations were added, no big deal. Hoyt Jun 2019 #35

Yup jberryhill Jun 2019 #37

LOL. Melania should've tried that incorrect definition! mobeau69 Jun 2019 #46

A speech is generally expected to be an original work of authorship jberryhill Jun 2019 #67

Well, he was accused of plagarizing a speech as well. progressoid Jun 2019 #141

This may come as a shock to you jberryhill Jun 2019 #145

Indeed, the Kinnock speech has nothing to do with this particular episode. progressoid Jun 2019 #151

Yes and he was rightly criticized for that jberryhill Jun 2019 #152

Uh, a good plan is a good plan jberryhill Jun 2019 #36

Here we go again. Butterflylady Jun 2019 #40

If true I don't get how this stuff happens. You'd think these writer/researchers... brush Jun 2019 #43

And plagiarism apps. mobeau69 Jun 2019 #54

It may not be a crime wellst0nev0ter Jun 2019 #51

Having done it before, you'd think he'd make it clear to his team that it's unacceptable. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #53

Wait? What? Biden isn't publishing his own climate studies? dem4decades Jun 2019 #56

I'll bet he doesn't even have his own laboratory or a degree in climate science either! jberryhill Jun 2019 #68

It may be a big nothing burger, but when you have previously dropped out of a vsrazdem Jun 2019 #59

My point exactly... though it's not a fatal blow, it certainly doesn't bode well InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #79

Meh. It was corrected. Get it out in the open and own the mistake. Freethinker65 Jun 2019 #60

Someone on his staff should have caught this. honest.abe Jun 2019 #69

tweet Otto Lidenbrock Jun 2019 #71

Mahalo, Otto! Cha Jun 2019 #89

Oh dear! peggysue2 Jun 2019 #94

Biden Plagiarism headlines everywhere sure happened quickly. betsuni Jun 2019 #97

Strange how that happens isn't it?????? peggysue2 Jun 2019 #101

Thank for posting this MustLoveBeagles Jun 2019 #96

Um, what about this? RLG Jun 2019 #76

Serious question here - is the person or persons who are responsible for the original work bullwinkle428 Jun 2019 #85

See post #71 peggysue2 Jun 2019 #95

No, they are not. In fact they seem pleased their proposals are being used. honest.abe Jun 2019 #112

A nothingburger, IMO. Blue_true Jun 2019 #100

Srsly? What a friggin' joke ... mr_lebowski Jun 2019 #107

When Woody Guthrie tirebiter Jun 2019 #110

you change my mind about Biden ...... stonecutter357 Jun 2019 #115

lol Cha Jun 2019 #123

Old habits die hard. Next time Joe copies someone else's stuff, mtnsnake Jun 2019 #125

The issue isnt copying, its not providing the proper credit or citation for the content. honest.abe Jun 2019 #132

They went to press with that the same day he released it? ucrdem Jun 2019 #144

Meh ... all plans are hybrid and agglomerations LibFarmer Jun 2019 #150

Total BS and much ado about absolutely nothing. lark Jun 2019 #155