Democratic Primaries

CrossingTheRubicon

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31. Social Democracies are very distinct from "Democratic Socialist" states.

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 08:39 PM

Mar 2019

The former are liberal democracies with advanced capitalist economies that generate the wealth to pay for generous social programs. None of the Social Democracies have socialist economies. Not one.

"Democratic Socialists" believe capitalism is incompatible with human freedom (despite being the opposite of the truth) so this ideology seeks to eliminate private enterprise and to replace it with a system where the means of production and distribution are owned by "the collective" (aka the state).

Since Democratic Socialist states have always failed economically and failed to protect human rights the "re-framing" of reality is to associate "Democratic Socialism" with Social Democracy despite the untruthfulness of the conflation.

Or to claim post offices and fire department are socialist. It is a laugh.

The DSA (Democratic Socialists of America) are hailing the Democratic Socialist dictatorship of Venezuela with postings of "Long Live the Bolivarian Revolution."

Some have suggested Venezuela is an example for the "new American Dream." I don't think you'll find many liberal Democrats who will buy into that BS.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Bernie's 5 part strategy explained [View all] kennetha Mar 2019 OP

Step one...source magic beans Zoonart Mar 2019 #1

You left out Step 6. Win the election. MineralMan Mar 2019 #2

Point well taken! kennetha Mar 2019 #3

Brilliant post! CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #4

I am afraid that you are correct Gothmog Mar 2019 #5

Ah yes, a Democrat insisting that socialism must be negative. Kentonio Mar 2019 #6

The countries you are referring to are social democracies. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2019 #9

It's amazing isn't it, that here on a supposedly democratic board workinclasszero Mar 2019 #10

Exactly the opposite. We liberal Democratic loyalists know that FDR was not a socialist... CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #12

Well said! Well said, indeed! WheelWalker Mar 2019 #26

we are no where near the party of FDR. and yes he was no socialist Kurt V. Mar 2019 #29

+1 Go Vols Mar 2019 #56

I'm not buying what he's selling. I'm smarter than that. I'm no fool. I won't fall for it. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #7

.... ehrnst Mar 2019 #11

+1000. Amimnoch Mar 2019 #54

Social democracy has worked. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2019 #8

Social democracy is just the blending of capitalism and socialism Kentonio Mar 2019 #13

Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism are two schools of thought. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2019 #14

No it is not. Social Democracy relies on preserving a vibrant capitalist economic system... CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #15

We have a mixed economy with elements of capitalism and socialism. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2019 #16

A lot of people are led astray forklift Mar 2019 #19

You can advocate social programs without being a socialist. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2019 #20

Precisely forklift Mar 2019 #25

No you're talking about communism Kentonio Mar 2019 #17

No. That's Democratic Socialism. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #21

How did support for social programs, even robust ones, become socialism? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2019 #22

Beats the hell out of me. It is a right-wing talking point that's been picked up by somebody. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #23

It's all about Bernie kennetha Mar 2019 #24

But the DSA *is* talking about that kind of socialism. And the DSA will vote in April... Garrett78 Mar 2019 #42

Democratic Socialist societies have a Capitalism based mixed economy Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #49

Wrong. You are conflating Social Democracies with "Democratic Socialist" states. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #50

Tell that to any Trumper, they will tell you those are "Socialist" countries Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #52

So we should parrott right-wing talking points? I don't think so. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #58

... forklift Mar 2019 #18

what kind of crazy is this? Kurt V. Mar 2019 #27

Or, just dont bash other democrats and one of em will win. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2019 #28

What a shocking idea. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #34

Thank YOU Eliot Rosewater Mar 2019 #41

Many European countries have social democratic Parties. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #30

Social Democracies are very distinct from "Democratic Socialist" states. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #31

The USPS is the very definition of socialism. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #32

LOL. Sure pal. Not buying what you are selling. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #33

I am not asking for agreement. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #35

More like you are Mis-stating what exists, actually kennetha Mar 2019 #36

We will disagree. eom guillaumeb Mar 2019 #39

Just to play along, what do most people think of USPS? CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #37

What do you know about the USPS? guillaumeb Mar 2019 #38

Two close friends were postal workers until recently. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #40

But you felt it necessary to state something. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #43

No. You felt it was necessary to claim USPS as an example of socialism when that's not the case. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #44

A definition: guillaumeb Mar 2019 #45

another definition: CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #46

Do some reasearch into the word socialism, guillaumeb Mar 2019 #47

I have a degree in political science. I know what socialism is and is not. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #48

Democratic Socialism is an economic system Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #53

No. "Democratic Socialism" seeks to replace capitalism with a socialist economy. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #57

You're not undecided RandySF Mar 2019 #51

He can keep that shit. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #55

Spot on. Tipperary Mar 2019 #59