Democratic Primaries

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68. It is by design - with Tad Devine tactics

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 10:00 PM

Mar 2019

When a positive message does not get traction beyond the small base, use all means necessary to bring down the favorability ratings of the opponents to win by comparison.

All of it involves a concerted effort via social media to influence people who were not even born when a given candidate accomplished a lot and make them think negatively of the opponents while one's own candidate turns a blind eye towards what it is doing to our party and the eventual nominee.

Sowing seeds of poisonous bushes is never right. I am seeing attacks on Beto O'Rourke, Kamala Harris, Joe Biden and others already ... magnified millions of times via social media ... It won't hurt them in the primaries much but it will poison the broader electorate against them, making Trump win.

We Democrats should call it out every time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Bernie haters will get what they want. [View all] Cartoonist Mar 2019 OP

Are there Bernie haters? gateley Mar 2019 #1

gateley? sheshe2 Mar 2019 #2

Hi! gateley Mar 2019 #9

OMG. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #23

I'm doing okay, too -- gateley Mar 2019 #25

Thank you, gateley. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #43

Regardless how I feel about Bernie, if he's our nominee, he's got my vote. calimary Mar 2019 #5

I honestly would be happy with any of our current candidates -- gateley Mar 2019 #12

I like Inslee's Priority #1 too... but, thankfully, it is high on Bernie's list. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #34

Perhaps, as a Governor, Inslee has the ability to implement a policy where Sanders does not? brooklynite Mar 2019 #84

Implementing policy is a team effort. BlueWI Mar 2019 #148

+1 Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #162

Have to look closer at Inslee. BlueWI Mar 2019 #147

Yes. Please do! He might be the answer. calimary Mar 2019 #193

a blast from the past! hlthe2b Mar 2019 #6

Wow -- a blast from the past is right! gateley Mar 2019 #18

"Are there Bernie haters?" pangaia Mar 2019 #7

I'm sorry to hear that -- we all believe in the same things, gateley Mar 2019 #16

nevermind LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #82

Good to see you posting again. sellitman Mar 2019 #14

Hi! gateley Mar 2019 #17

It's often a matter of interpretation and perspective. TwilightZone Mar 2019 #51

It can get a little heated around here, lol! Stellar Mar 2019 #164

Yup, especially if it involves Bernie... NOTHING he does is EVER good enough!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #202

+1000 Stellar Mar 2019 #204

Not about YOU or the specific issues you WANT? How dare you be so humane and patriotic! Eliot Rosewater Mar 2019 #197

Honestly... can we just discuss relative merits of ALL the candidates without this vitriol? hlthe2b Mar 2019 #3

You would think so but there are people who refuse to move on. I don't understand how people can Autumn Mar 2019 #11

Hillary. nt sheshe2 Mar 2019 #32

The continued false narratives about Democrats are why you R B Garr Mar 2019 #70

I see no continued false narratives about Democrats but I do see a lot revisionist history. nt Autumn Mar 2019 #76

That is a false narrative in itself. The whole ethos of his R B Garr Mar 2019 #89

YES.. The OP is a False Narrative, too.. and Cha Mar 2019 #96

+1000, yes the OP is totally a false narrative. I don't R B Garr Mar 2019 #117

If people make decisions on whether or not to vote based on anonymous internet posters... TwilightZone Mar 2019 #4

It goes beyond attacks, which are inevitable on the internet. BlueWI Mar 2019 #149

Oh gosh do I DISAGREE Eliot Rosewater Mar 2019 #198

Most Bernie supporters voted for HRC. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #8

If folks haven't learned history, then they will repeat it... LakeArenal Mar 2019 #10

I keep seeing that posted but I have yet to see Bernie supporters insulting Democrats every day. Autumn Mar 2019 #13

Well not on DU. But I hear it on tv quite a bit. LakeArenal Mar 2019 #19

Umhm. nt sheshe2 Mar 2019 #33

In fact quite the opposite. nt Autumn Mar 2019 #35

ummmhmm sheshe2 Mar 2019 #38

Yeah! Agreed! It's constant revisionist history, R B Garr Mar 2019 #73

Ummhm. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #77

Luv you, too, she! R B Garr Mar 2019 #80

... sheshe2 Mar 2019 #85

BS himself insults my Dem Party.. Cha Mar 2019 #101

Right Cha! It's hard to achieve unity, when supposed leaders act in the most divisive way! lunamagica Mar 2019 #118

Exactly, Luna.. something that gets thrown Cha Mar 2019 #119

Indeed. I question why anyone would say he supports the Party at all LakeArenal Mar 2019 #152

His "unspoken threat"? Somebody is living in your head. Mr. Smith Mar 2019 #183

Pathological is getting thrown around a lot. Cool buzz word. Trendy too. LakeArenal Mar 2019 #185

So much for unspoken threat... LakeArenal Mar 2019 #187

It is by design - with Tad Devine tactics forklift Mar 2019 #68

YES they do LakeArenal.. but that doesn't fit Cha Mar 2019 #100

I see it on Facebook All The Time. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2019 #111

Aw. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #15

That's a swell gif melman Mar 2019 #24

I agree with you melman! sheshe2 Mar 2019 #36

What? melman Mar 2019 #63

melman. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #99

Huh? melman Mar 2019 #104

Woah. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #107

You said it was a clever gif. She agreed with you it is a clever gif. you said huh? emulatorloo Mar 2019 #108

Yeah melman Mar 2019 #109

Maybe you're reading something into it that isn't there? emulatorloo Mar 2019 #110

Maybe I'm not melman Mar 2019 #172

They're is nothing in this world more joyful to me Control-Z Mar 2019 #121

Hi Control-Z. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #188

I know. I do, don't I? Thanks very much for noticing. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #159

You're welcome melman Mar 2019 #170

NJ does it again. I LOVE how you can find graphics to suit each and every purpose. George II Mar 2019 #30

Thank you! NurseJackie Mar 2019 #160

I have a higher opinion of the overwhelming majority of them than you do. WeekiWater Mar 2019 #20

Insulted? Like calling the supporters of other candidates "assholes"? TwilightZone Mar 2019 #21

Not me Cartoonist Mar 2019 #40

Ummhmm. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #55

Like BS calls the Dem Party "Elite".. that kind of Insult? Cha Mar 2019 #97

Thank you, Cha. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #105

Yeah, I'm calling Goose and Gander here.. Cha Mar 2019 #112

You see what you want to see. MrsCoffee Mar 2019 #141

NO. @23-24% voted Republican and third party. Hortensis Mar 2019 #22

Led by Susan Sarandon and Nina Turner, who both voted for Jill ("Dinner with Vlad in Moscow") Stein. George II Mar 2019 #31

Yup. Despicable enough, but given their antipathy toward Hortensis Mar 2019 #42

Oh boy RandySF Mar 2019 #26

It's called VETTING this time around Cha Mar 2019 #27

A day doesn't go by Cartoonist Mar 2019 #41

That is a position. TwilightZone Mar 2019 #44

I'm for Kamala Cartoonist Mar 2019 #46

Damn Straight. Cha Mar 2019 #48

His Last Senatorial Campaign Is A Good Reason Why People Have Doubts Me. Mar 2019 #137

It's Called VETTING. This just the Cha Mar 2019 #47

No one dislikes Bernie's positions forklift Mar 2019 #69

Yep they sure did sit home Andy823 Mar 2019 #28

They sure did, Andy. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #52

They will do that, no matter what we do. LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #29

My problem in the last election was sakabatou Mar 2019 #37

Post removed Post removed Mar 2019 #131

kinda proves it... handmade34 Mar 2019 #39

Ok, I'm out Cartoonist Mar 2019 #45

I mean this in all sincerity. TwilightZone Mar 2019 #49

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 sheshe2 Mar 2019 #59

Excellent post. I don't buy the argument that we argue and debate among ourselves. That assumes still_one Mar 2019 #65

Or the idea that we "attack" as a mob. LakeArenal Mar 2019 #194

Perfection! "Besides, calling everyone a hater and an asshole is as vitriolic or more so than Cha Mar 2019 #103

Seriously, what did you expect? You confiirm in your post what we believe happened last time, LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #50

+10000 nt forklift Mar 2019 #72

I haven't seen Bernie reach out to Hillary supporters. R B Garr Mar 2019 #75

Reach out? He's done the opposite lunamagica Mar 2019 #120

What would that "reach out to" look like? progressoid Mar 2019 #142

None of the other candidates have run such a anti-establishment R B Garr Mar 2019 #151

Bernie Sanders Politely Asks Supporters Not to Harass His Opponents Cha Mar 2019 #195

Hate has a meaning. WeekiWater Mar 2019 #90

False Narrative.. It's Called VETTING.. Quit Deflecting. Cha Mar 2019 #98

sanders was not taken seriously by the press last cycle and was not vetted Gothmog Mar 2019 #53

Sanders In 2020 Progressive2020 Mar 2019 #116

There are a large number of real Democrats with long memories Gothmog Mar 2019 #128

Yes Progressive2020 Mar 2019 #182

I do not hate Bernie I just feel this year we have so many great candidates katmondoo Mar 2019 #54

Just so I understand, are you saying that it is the haters fault that Bernie supporters didn't vote? GemDigger Mar 2019 #56

I voted Cartoonist Mar 2019 #81

"Not voting", in this context, includes voting third party, which a lot of them did. LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #138

I am not a hater of anyone Tribalceltic Mar 2019 #57

It wasn't Bernie supporters who stayed home last election. They were Hillary haters. nt Snotcicles Mar 2019 #58

Woah. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #61

Whatever they were they were not progressive...or they would not have helped Trump win. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #179

There are no Bernie haters forklift Mar 2019 #60

"There are no Bernie haters" Hahahaha! progressoid Mar 2019 #143

Flame bait bullshit. I'll tell you what happened the last time. LISTEN CAREFULLY. There were SOME still_one Mar 2019 #62

100% THIS oasis Mar 2019 #67

+∞ LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #71

Thank you for your courageous post forklift Mar 2019 #154

I do appreciate your compliment, but posting anonymously on a message is not particularly courageous still_one Mar 2019 #155

As Shakespeare said forklift Mar 2019 #158

.................................................................... still_one Mar 2019 #169

Sanders' recently appointed co-chair openly spoke about voting for Jill Stein and urged.... George II Mar 2019 #166

I know. Some kind of 3-D chess I imagine going on there still_one Mar 2019 #171

Anyone who would stay at home in the face of a possible Trump second term Blue_true Mar 2019 #64

Thanks. ALL of the insults, in every direction, will HURT! elleng Mar 2019 #66

See my post below. emulatorloo Mar 2019 #79

Good one, thanks, elleng Mar 2019 #86

Oh I really do hope more people do. I have a lot of faith in voters emulatorloo Mar 2019 #88

Yes they were encouraging, elleng Mar 2019 #93

Yeah, NO "thanks".. he's Admitting he sat home Cha Mar 2019 #94

I have several friends... Mike Nelson Mar 2019 #74

I have never not voted because some anonymous person was "mean" to me on the internet. emulatorloo Mar 2019 #78

If someone doesn't vote because of what someone they don't even know says on a forum or social media still_one Mar 2019 #91

Are we allowed to raise issues about Sanders without being labeled "haters"? brooklynite Mar 2019 #83

TBD squirecam Mar 2019 #87

........................................................................................ still_one Mar 2019 #92

Bernie will never make it to the General election. wasupaloopa Mar 2019 #95

Same here. Not one Bernie supporter has addressed the matter of the primary schedule. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #102

You should have gone over there radical noodle Mar 2019 #122

Apparently several people there think we have a candidate from WA and a candidate from MN... Garrett78 Mar 2019 #124

I think you've nailed it! radical noodle Mar 2019 #125

I really don't get some Bernie supporters - OhZone Mar 2019 #106

Excellent post, OhZone.. Mahlao! Cha Mar 2019 #123

I have a feeling the "insults" of the "Bernie haters" betsuni Mar 2019 #113

Pretty much.. and this is from BS' own Staff.. Cha Mar 2019 #115

This is coming from BS' own Staff.. Cha Mar 2019 #114

Anyone who won't vote now is motivated by weird things and not worth the bother. RelativelyJones Mar 2019 #126

What a cheery note! peggysue2 Mar 2019 #127

+∞ LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #145

It isn't just me, but Bernie isn't a Democrat GatoGordo Mar 2019 #129

So, "Bernie haters" are status quo neoliberal establishment elites who want Republicans to win. betsuni Mar 2019 #130

Sure would help if Bernie was a Democrat GatoGordo Mar 2019 #132

What does that mean. betsuni Mar 2019 #134

No matter how 'mean' someone was to me...I would still vote for the Democratic nominee...but Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #180

Behave the way we want or the kitten gets it Starry Messenger Mar 2019 #133

Heh! betsuni Mar 2019 #135

Good to see you back, Starry Messenger. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #190

Nice to see you too! Starry Messenger Mar 2019 #191

We miss you and the AA Group. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #192

... LexVegas Mar 2019 #136

So what you're saying is leftynyc Mar 2019 #139

They spent the last two years denying that they did what this OP admits, and threatens again LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #144

Sick to death of him leftynyc Mar 2019 #153

Bullshit themaguffin Mar 2019 #140

Thanks! Cha Mar 2019 #175

I just can't stand straw men like this. themaguffin Mar 2019 #199

And, neither can I.. many others.. Cha Mar 2019 #200

It is every American's responsibility to vote Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #146

Like those same ones wouldn't anyway? Amimnoch Mar 2019 #150

Seems to me the best way to shut down the pro or anti Bernie OregonBlue Mar 2019 #156

I like your suggestion lynintenn Mar 2019 #168

Who are those Bernie haters? MineralMan Mar 2019 #157

Haters gonna hate IronLionZion Mar 2019 #161

Nailed it! OregonBlue Mar 2019 #173

Yes and then there's The Vetting Process where Cha Mar 2019 #176

Threat noted Gatoloco Mar 2019 #163

Is that what happened to the PUMA's? nt. Stellar Mar 2019 #165

I absorbed plenty of insults from arrogant Bernie people, here at DU. Paladin Mar 2019 #167

Exactly, Paladin.. We love our Planet More Cha Mar 2019 #174

Threats....I still won't vote for Sanders in the primary. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #177

The question you have to ask TheRealNorth Mar 2019 #178

Sowing division is not a worry unless one group of supporters refuses to vote for the candidate LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #181

Damn... I was hoping (just a little bit) for something rational. LanternWaste Mar 2019 #184

BVS LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #189

Concern noted. n/t namahage Mar 2019 #186

Bernie Sanders Politely Asks Supporters Not to Harass His Opponents Cha Mar 2019 #196

Is 10 years of tax returns the answer? sarcasmo Mar 2019 #201

Ooohh, you really showed us last time, huh! Bernie supporters are really Trump supporters in the end PubliusEnigma Mar 2019 #203

Coddling them didn't work. Might as well be honest. Renew Deal Mar 2019 #205