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Demsrule86

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56. I live on Ohio. I used to live in PA...I just want to win. The other candidates will

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 06:29 AM

Jun 2019

be painted as socialists. Is it true...no. But they wil be just the same. The laundry list of policy such as the green new deal or MFA will help in the primary but will destroy a Demoratic nominee in the general. This won't happen to Biden as he was in the Senate and was VP for eight years...well known. All Trump has to do is take PA,WI and MI...He wins again. And we could lose the house. Perhaps younger more progressive seeming candidates are exciting and eill be elected as president in the future. I hope so. But right now we have to win in the present in a center left country. Biden has a shot...a good one. But I don't see Warren, Sanders or Harris wining the must win rustbelt states in a general. Winning is everything this particular election.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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KR Cha Jun 2019 #1

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may it continue to shrink, we can do so much better Celerity Jun 2019 #3

Ahh the bouncy thing tells me it's only about helping Mayor Pete. BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #4

Buttigieg is far from the only candidate who is superior to Biden Celerity Jun 2019 #5

Biden is the only candidate who will win a general... Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #6

nope, ridiculous Celerity Jun 2019 #7

Factual. He can win MI,WI and PA. I don't see the others having a chance. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #8

you have zero concrete proof of any of those positings, other than some oh so malleable polls Celerity Jun 2019 #9

If Trump wins MI,WI and PA, HE WINS IT ALL! Biden stops him. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Jun 2019 #13

zero proof of this, it is all based off hypotheticals and early poll-based prognostication Celerity Jun 2019 #14

Nothing to do with polls...the map tells it all. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #17

I know the map, Biden is not the only path to victory, if he was, why hold primaries Celerity Jun 2019 #19

Show me how we win without those states...MI,WI and PA Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #22

strawman, there is no reason another candidate cannot win those states Celerity Jun 2019 #23

So you think Warren or Harris can win those states in a general? It we won't happen. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #61

lol so it's based off something that you don't agree with. Not zero proof. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #26

you do not have exclusives on a crystal ball Celerity Jun 2019 #27

Not fail. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #30

no, your line of certainty is a fail, it is far from a concrete fact Celerity Jun 2019 #32

It is a free country....unless of course Trump wins again. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #34

Biden is not the only person on the planet between us and a Trump win. Celerity Jun 2019 #35

I think he is. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #62

we disagree and will continue to do so, on this Celerity Jun 2019 #65

I'm representing the polls, buddy. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #36

oki BUDDY you do that, history is littered with people who bet the farm on sure things and polls Celerity Jun 2019 #38

No one is betting the farm on anything... Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #42

you do not have a singular claim on a reality that is not remotely fully shaped yet Celerity Jun 2019 #43

I have the reality of now. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #44

I'll only support Biden in the general, that's my reality, I don't like his stances on a variety Celerity Jun 2019 #45

What cock-sure? I am only pointing out Biden is doing the best head-to-head. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #48

I can accept that manner of putting it Celerity Jun 2019 #50

.. Cha Jun 2019 #55

This is factually incorrect... Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #28

Yes, but that is the point. Biden was born in PA and is loved there...he is our best chance Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #33

seeing as I am being accused of not looking at 'maps' let me re-enforce your post Celerity Jun 2019 #37

This map shows clearly that our only real path is to rebuild the rustbelt. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #63

Biden will win PA...hands down. No other candidate will do so. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #59

It is what I believe. Have you looked at an electoral map...done any calculations? Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #16

you know I have, I have so many posts with electoral maps up Celerity Jun 2019 #24

So do I. Do you think Mayor Pete can win a general? Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #29

there are other better options than Biden, Pete is far from the only one Celerity Jun 2019 #31

I don't see any better options to win the states we need. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #39

time will tell, it is far too early for the certainty Celerity Jun 2019 #41

I live on Ohio. I used to live in PA...I just want to win. The other candidates will Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #56

Like who? You talk policy and that is important but losers in an election don't get Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #57

before the Russian attack on the elections Democrats won those 3 states for 6 straight JI7 Jun 2019 #10

Close elections are easy to steal...won't be close with Biden. He is our only shot. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #12

2000 shld 2004 was close and Democrats won those. 2016 was about the attacks on the elections JI7 Jun 2019 #15

We lost both 2000 and 2004. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #18

we won MI WI and PA which you claim only Biden can do JI7 Jun 2019 #20

This was before we started winning Virginia and one other state maybe Nevada or Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #25

Look as the the map...take PA, WI and MI out of the 'D' column...now Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #60

Yeah it's a good group BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #21

obviously I will vote for him IF he is the nominee, I have made that clear in a myriad of posts Celerity Jun 2019 #49

I like Mayor Pete but he has a serious diversity problem redstateblues Jun 2019 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #52

lol Cha Jun 2019 #53

I am liking Senator Warren more by the day. Blue_true Jun 2019 #46

I don't think Warren can win a general. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #58

I don't agree with you. Blue_true Jun 2019 #66

Time will tell but she will not attract moderate voters in my view in rustbelt states. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #67

A lot of those voters agree with her ideas on fair taxation and healthcare. Blue_true Jun 2019 #68

Issues will not win the rusrbelt... Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #71

Matter of opinion. She has also laid out plans for job growth, which WILL play in the Midwest. nt Blue_true Jun 2019 #72

I've switched my preference to Warren. cwydro Jun 2019 #40

Who did you support before? Blue_true Jun 2019 #47

Biden, but I also like Buttigieg and Harris. cwydro Jun 2019 #54

EW was my #1 Cosmocat Jun 2019 #64

Weird, the headline and even the link changed to 11 point differential. aikoaiko Jun 2019 #69

So why did you leave out Kamala Harris? Andy823 Jun 2019 #70