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still_one

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46. I understand your point, and you are using age as the focal point, but regardless of age, what you
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 08:00 PM
Jun 2019

really asking is that person up to the job, both mentally and physically. That criteria you would apply to anyone regardless of chronological age. In fact that is exactly what you are saying when he released his video. You were left with the impression that he was more than able to do the job. I think we are saying the same thing actually.

Interestingly, Axelrod seems to forget President Obama's flip-flopping during his campaign. The most obvious one is when he said he would finance his campaign through the presidential public financing system. Less than a year later when he said that in June 2008 he reversed himself and announced he was opting out of that system.

Same type of reversal happened with PACs

There are other issues where he reversed or flip-flopped also, but none of those things had to do with age or confusion, it had to do with political reality, and while people may disagree on that, I suspect his view was why should I tie one arm behind my back when going into a political fight.

He reversed himself on gay marriage. In 2008 he was for Civil Unions, and against gay marriage. In 2012 he reversed himself.

Did he evolve from 2008 to 2012, or was it done in 2008 because he didn't want to take a chance on the 2008 election for concern that might work against him.

Axelrod is quite disingenuous in his criticism, because he know perfectly well that campaigns reverse themselves, and make adjustments, and it has nothing to do with age.

It could be because they realize a position was wrong, or it could be for political considerations, or both, but it happens.

On the Hyde Amendment, Biden screwed up on several fronts. The cynics or opponents are going to say it was only for political considerations, but his last statement was very clear on it. He supports the repeal of the Hyde Amendment. Planned Parenthood, NARAL, and the ACUL take him at his word. Why wouldn't they. Biden is doing just what Planned Parenthood and NARAL asked him to do, reconsider his initial position on that.

The only way the Hyde Amendment is going to be repealed is if we have a majority in Congress. I for one believe if that were to happen, and Biden or any of the Democratic candidates were President, they would sign it without hesitation.

In spite of the political jocking going on, for the most part all the Democratic candidates are on the same page. The question is who is most capable of delivering, and by delivering that means not only winning the primary, but also the general election, and then being able to work with Congress to achieve results

Thanks hekate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Is David Axelrod an Ageist? [View all] uawchild Jun 2019 OP
Post removed Post removed Jun 2019 #1
Okay Green Line Jun 2019 #2
Dang he left before I could get in here to respond to him/her.. Peacetrain Jun 2019 #6
I saw that post and was tempted to alert, but figured it would catch up to him sooner or later. George II Jun 2019 #16
... jcgoldie Jun 2019 #35
Many of us like Axelrod who are over 60 worry about older candidates-- and ourselves dawg day Jun 2019 #3
so true about ourselves! uawchild Jun 2019 #4
I thought everyone kept their keys in the fridge. TexasProgresive Jun 2019 #11
lol n/t uawchild Jun 2019 #13
No room for keys in my fridge... jcgoldie Jun 2019 #36
Valid points True Dough Jun 2019 #5
It's a valid concern. MBS Jun 2019 #10
Very true. nt DesertRat Jun 2019 #18
not as much as he has a problem with women candidates JI7 Jun 2019 #7
Considering age is not necessarily ageism. I don't question Biden's ability to execute his duties tymorial Jun 2019 #8
ditto. MBS Jun 2019 #12
If nominated Biden will run against Trump. Blue_true Jun 2019 #26
I take it on a case by case basis. demmiblue Jun 2019 #9
The older the car, the more likely the breakdown. The older the house, the more likely the problems. Midnight Writer Jun 2019 #14
Then there's the older the cheese the sharper it is. George II Jun 2019 #17
then there is "as old as the hills" uawchild Jun 2019 #19
I do not get him at all. EveHammond13 Jun 2019 #15
He's right extvbroadcaster Jun 2019 #20
I'm 60 and I've thought about this as well. I do not think it means we're bashing anyone, PatrickforO Jun 2019 #21
Feel same way I am almost 63 marlakay Jun 2019 #24
I remember more things now than I did as a young engineer 30+ years ago. Blue_true Jun 2019 #25
:) "If only I knew then what I know now." Hortensis Jun 2019 #32
Well, at least his hair wouldn't that th white during his tenure in office as typically tblue37 Jun 2019 #22
No Axelrod is not.You are again making this all about Biden. Still nothing about your guy Booker? Hekate Jun 2019 #23
It is an excellent observation. In fact in this OP about "age", he only singles out Biden, but still_one Jun 2019 #31
It always seems... Hekate Jun 2019 #41
I agree, and mentioned that directly to the OP in a separate post. I also think it is ageist. still_one Jun 2019 #43
Well, I was concerned about Biden's age & long record *before* he entered the race... Hekate Jun 2019 #44
I understand your point, and you are using age as the focal point, but regardless of age, what you still_one Jun 2019 #46
"If you are unsteady on the campaign trail that is going to intensify those questions." jalan48 Jun 2019 #27
I think a lot of Biden's gaffes are not gaffes. Sharing with Obama that passage of the ACA is a BFD Hekate Jun 2019 #45
I don't think the mere fact that age is a FACTOR is being an Ageist Skittles Jun 2019 #28
Not taking the bait. You don't do a thing to rep your guy. Booker? Tell us why you support him. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #29
Another negative post about Biden by the OP. The OP only singles out Biden with the "age" problem still_one Jun 2019 #30
You are so wrong it's embarrassing uawchild Jun 2019 #38
You are so wrong it's embarrassing. I am undecided after the Hyde amendment incident. Are you still_one Jun 2019 #40
Never a word about Booker BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #42
Everyone knows life begins at 80. comradebillyboy Jun 2019 #33
The question is someone physicially and mentally able to do the job. People age differently. Some still_one Jun 2019 #34
I'd say that in those statements he's both ageist and thoughtless, since he highplainsdem Jun 2019 #37
I suppose everyone thinks someone else is an -ist of some form... Politicub Jun 2019 #39
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