Democratic Primaries

The Velveteen Ocelot

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4. This isn't Joe's first rodeo.

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:25 AM

Jun 2019

He knows very well how to frame his campaign themes, and he knows that most people would prefer politics to be less acrimonious and more cooperative. The actual fact that the GOP are for the most part hostile and uncooperative isn't important; what's important is the aspiration for collegial politics. He sat through eight years of the GOP throwing sand in Obama's gears every chance they got; he knows very well that they're a bunch of dicks, and he doesn't intend to be rolled by them. He is expressing the wish that dealing with them like grownups would be possible.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Biden isn't "delusional." It's called campaigning. It's called politics. [View all] themaguffin Jun 2019 OP

Post removed Post removed Jun 2019 #1

No, it's not, it's called campaigning to all voters. Jesus Christ. Wow. themaguffin Jun 2019 #3

"The base" is not the ultra left wing LibFarmer Jun 2019 #8

I'll ask again, who are the ultra-left? dogman Jun 2019 #14

Who is the base? themaguffin Jun 2019 #16

I would hope Democrats. dogman Jun 2019 #35

I'll ask again.. Wherever did you get that Cha Jun 2019 #64

Crickets.... ehrnst Jun 2019 #81

The base is any Democrat from center to left of center as long as they vote Fla Dem Jun 2019 #54

The ultra-left are the ones who threw John Lewis under the the bus. LanternWaste Jun 2019 #29

Great answer!! nt LibFarmer Jun 2019 #34

I guess the Ultra Left is extreme huh? Locrian Jun 2019 #53

Here's a definition of "ultra" : George II Jun 2019 #55

And... BOOM!! NurseJackie Jun 2019 #61

So.....70% to 90% of Americans are left wing "extremists"? LiberalLovinLug Jun 2019 #67

Where do you come up with that? First, those are only three cherry-picked issues... George II Jun 2019 #69

Where? subtracted from the percent that wants those things LiberalLovinLug Jun 2019 #70

The Democratic Base is Actually our African Cha Jun 2019 #63

Same thing was said in 2016 HopeAgain Jun 2019 #32

It takes a small percentage to swing an election LibFarmer Jun 2019 #41

And we lost... HopeAgain Jun 2019 #43

Yes ... and the reasons are well-known LibFarmer Jun 2019 #46

That same word will be there on the street times ten HopeAgain Jun 2019 #47

The "base" are the ones who ALWAYS VOTE and who are LOYAL to the Democratic party... NurseJackie Jun 2019 #40

+1000 LibFarmer Jun 2019 #42

+1000 pazzyanne Jun 2019 #49

Bingo SharonClark Jun 2019 #59

All of this MustLoveBeagles Jun 2019 #74

A lot of all the candidates ideas are ideals LakeArenal Jun 2019 #2

Well put, LakeArenal. pazzyanne Jun 2019 #50

This isn't Joe's first rodeo. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #4

It is an inane criticism. Not one candidate campaigns they will not try to work with everyone still_one Jun 2019 #5

Exactly! What is he supposed to say, if elected I vow to NOT... Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #6

It would be nice not to praise Dick Cheney, for starters uawchild Jun 2019 #18

You should talk. Cory Booker, my senator, routinely praises people Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #20

Unless of course Cory Booker is a red herring LibFarmer Jun 2019 #44

Sanders((((Cough))) BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #56

ummmm EvolveOrConvolve Jun 2019 #78

Well, ya learn something new every day. progressoid Jun 2019 #79

Ummm BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #80

+1, I was surprised by the same divisive message from Booker's R B Garr Jun 2019 #58

Because Cory Booker is a centrist nt LibFarmer Jun 2019 #62

I don't have a problem with him saying he'll work with Repubs. progressoid Jun 2019 #19

I agree, but doubt saidsimplesimon Jun 2019 #30

Aspiration is helpful only if it's based on reality. Obama had reason for aspiration. But we learned JudyM Jun 2019 #7

Not true, most every new president says things on election night or at inaugeration that themaguffin Jun 2019 #10

So bullshit as a strategy is ok with you? On such a key issue, we can't wave a wand and wish away JudyM Jun 2019 #15

It's not bullshit. It's an appeal. You clearly haven't read what I wrote. themaguffin Jun 2019 #17

Thought I did. Are you suggesting that he is not putting this out there as his intended strategy? JudyM Jun 2019 #21

You mean like a cynical "strategy" that a primary is "rigged" R B Garr Jun 2019 #60

Bullshit is a great strategy.... reACTIONary Jun 2019 #73

Some are furious that LibFarmer Jun 2019 #9

Seeing a pattern snowybirdie Jun 2019 #11

Yes it's politics but it's also about as sincere as when Repubs send their "thoughts and prayers" mtnsnake Jun 2019 #12

Biden may be able to pick two or three off crazytown Jun 2019 #33

How do you know that Biden knows that? marylandblue Jun 2019 #48

I agree. brer cat Jun 2019 #13

Biden has been in office since a time when Democrats and Republicans could and did work together Arkansas Granny Jun 2019 #22

Haven't virtually all the candidates said they'll work with the GOP? SunSeeker Jun 2019 #23

He claims to KNOW that the GOP will suddenly be cooperative with Democrats once Trump is gone. Demit Jun 2019 #24

The concern is he actually believes it zipplewrath Jun 2019 #25

Recommended. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #26

Yea let's not stick a hand out to TheSocialDem Jun 2019 #27

It's not about that. At. All. themaguffin Jun 2019 #36

There is no working with this current TheSocialDem Jun 2019 #45

+1 n/t area51 Jun 2019 #75

Reaching out to republicans is one thing loyalsister Jun 2019 #28

+1 jalan48 Jun 2019 #39

+1,000 n/t MarcA Jun 2019 #65

It's not about believing it. It's an aspirational thought that many GE voters long for. themaguffin Jun 2019 #66

The translation of that aspirational thought to action loyalsister Jun 2019 #72

It's a GE strategy in the primaries crazytown Jun 2019 #31

Think He Somehow Believes It colsohlibgal Jun 2019 #37

It wasn't that long ago we were calling them Deplorables and voters we shouldn't waste time jalan48 Jun 2019 #38

Thanks, maguffin. elleng Jun 2019 #51

I think the "delusional" thing was... Mike Nelson Jun 2019 #52

Words matter. They matter is Joe says them, or Bernie, or Elizabeth, or Kamala...etc aikoaiko Jun 2019 #57

Bingo. Now down the rabbit hole with BootinUp Jun 2019 #68

K&R Scurrilous Jun 2019 #71

K&R betsuni Jun 2019 #76

That's exactly right. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 2019 #77