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marylandblue

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47. The negative reactions here show why O'Rourke and others must take this approach.

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 10:36 AM

Jun 2019

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Biden has claimed the anti-Trump vote. He attacks Trump more than the others and de-emphasizes change. Biden has all the people who think our biggest hurdle is getting rid of Trump.

But there are a lot of people who think getting rid of Trump is just our FIRST hurdle, and we then have even bigger hurdles. That we must make fundamental changes to our politics and our policies that go well beyond anything that's been proposed in the last 50 years.

If you are one of these people, then being anti-Trump is not enough and even seems dangerous. It risks failing to do the real work after Trump is gone. Worse, it risks failing to offer the general electorate a satisfactory alternative to Trump.

I am someone who thinks we need to be much more than anti-Trump and must market ourselves that way. I feel Biden supporters are ignoring my concerns just from reading this thread. If I feel that way as a committed Democrat, how will GE voters feel?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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"We cannot return to the past. We cannot simply be about defeating Donald Trump," Beto O'Rourke [View all] demmiblue Jun 2019 OP

This is true. McCamy Taylor Jun 2019 #1

Are you kidding...it only about beating Trump. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #2

I know FOR FUCKS SAKE!!! Nothing else matters if we don't beat him!!! nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #5

Exactly...the idea that anyone can beat Trump is simply untrue...it will be tough. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #12

All we have to do is overcome 77,740 votes... SKKY Jun 2019 #53

Generals always fight the last war, don't fight the last campaign. marylandblue Jun 2019 #62

We can't beat Trump unless we give people something to vote FOR Indygram Jun 2019 #20

The voters that we need will not be swayed by a green new deal or MFA...these are losing isses in a Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #23

I am a moderate Independent and I prefer Beto over anyone else Indygram Jun 2019 #30

Beto needs to inspire a whole lot more people to make a dent. Does not seem plausible - sorry. Skya Rhen Jun 2019 #71

I supported Beto in his failed Senate run and his Presidential roll out. redstateblues Jun 2019 #85

Beto is faring just fine on the ground Indygram Jun 2019 #86

Beto won't be around in 2820. RLG Jun 2019 #87

No attempt. I was serious. It was a typo. I meant 2028 redstateblues Jun 2019 #94

In 2028, the will be pols who are Beto's age now. RLG Jun 2019 #98

So, you don't want the Greens? shanny Jun 2019 #111

No, Climate change...but no progect labeled green new deal...which is a bad document in my opinion Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #135

my question was: do you not want Green voters? shanny Jun 2019 #137

Now that people have experienced Dotard in the Oval Office treestar Jun 2019 #33

Are YOU kidding? We had six years of division, animosity, and gridlock before marylandblue Jun 2019 #77

I know. But I think he means the way to win is to talk about pocketbook issues. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #80

If unemployment is low, and the stock market high, Trump will win The Mouth Jun 2019 #84

I think the link between the economy and the vote is broken. marylandblue Jun 2019 #103

I am as Atheistic (and anti-theistic) as a human can be The Mouth Jun 2019 #104

if so, you are setting the bar too low shanny Jun 2019 #110

We have to stop Trump...period. Hope we get the Senate...but it is a longshot...we live in a Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #134

that's your view shanny Jun 2019 #138

No they didn't The left left Stein voters got us where we are today...not enough to win but Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #139

Yeah, they did. We are just going to continue to disagree on this. So it goes. shanny Jun 2019 #140

yep...exactly! if we dont beat trump nothing else matters.. samnsara Jun 2019 #128

Beto, Beto, Beto....don't do this SummerSnow Jun 2019 #3

Yeah PatSeg Jun 2019 #11

I know, why can they not stump for themselves without cutting down the others? treestar Jun 2019 #35

Why not? Would you rather he throws in the towel? mtnsnake Jun 2019 #54

I saw him on Colbert last night customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #63

What did he do that was wrong? RLG Jun 2019 #88

the election MUSH be a referendum on trump & his corruption. That doesn't mean that themaguffin Jun 2019 #4

Of course not.. it's Cha Jun 2019 #8

I saw parts of this interview and I'm disgusted with what he said about the Obama years. I don't UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #6

oh oh.. what did he say Cha Jun 2019 #7

I missed the interview but the only thing I've ever heard him say about Obama years was immigration Indygram Jun 2019 #21

Yep, blind loyalty to any political figure never does anyone any good nt. liskddksil Jun 2019 #37

Bernie talks about going back to FDR, but no word on that... Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #9

Do you have a quote for that? n/t TCJ70 Jun 2019 #10

There was something on MSNBC PatSeg Jun 2019 #14

That sounds different than whatever... TCJ70 Jun 2019 #36

Excuse me. I don't need a quote. Are you saying you never heard bernie Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #16

Woah. Relax. You made a claim and I asked for a quote... TCJ70 Jun 2019 #38

Blah blah blah. Did you all on your own look up the quote? Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #40

how horrible that would be: shanny Jun 2019 #112

Downplaying the significance of beating Trump and instead attacking fellow Democrats... W_HAMILTON Jun 2019 #13

+1! Cha Jun 2019 #17

Absolutely not is right PatSeg Jun 2019 #18

Texas Already Has A Great Candidate in M.J. Hegar liskddksil Jun 2019 #42

Well PatSeg Jun 2019 #46

Good for you. I watch no cable news. They're all awful. marylandblue Jun 2019 #119

Yes PatSeg Jun 2019 #121

Those weren't attacks Indygram Jun 2019 #31

They were attacks. W_HAMILTON Jun 2019 #92

Fill me in. How exactly is Beto attacking other Democrats? mtnsnake Jun 2019 #55

It doesn't matter. Beto is a punching bag for other candidates's supporters. RLG Jun 2019 #89

+1. It's a freakin' feeding frenzy dalton99a Jun 2019 #107

Watch Morning Joe. Unprovoked, he went after Biden. The posted clip shows part of the attacks. W_HAMILTON Jun 2019 #91

he answered a question Indygram Jun 2019 #96

Yes, that's why I know he brought up Biden unprovoked. W_HAMILTON Jun 2019 #99

He was asked a question and answered Indygram Jun 2019 #109

im sure they all are going to eff up a little bit here and there... samnsara Jun 2019 #127

'The past' is only 3 years ago. They act like it was 1970. mr_liberal Jun 2019 #15

yes, that was a terrible time, on all fronts shanny Jun 2019 #113

???? I will take the past just fine if it means no more trump and NO MORE GOP beachbum bob Jun 2019 #19

Beto you look Rebl2 Jun 2019 #22

This is a primary election not a a coronation liskddksil Jun 2019 #24

Nobody is talking about "coronation" Cha Jun 2019 #25

Can you please tell Cha Jun 2019 #29

It wasn't anywhere near as bad as people are making it sound Indygram Jun 2019 #34

I started a thread with a link to the full interview Indygram Jun 2019 #43

Honest to Pete..this just makes me sad.. Peacetrain Jun 2019 #26

Beto isn't the only candidate using this "past" and "normalcy" frame... Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #41

This whole thing about a 'return to normalcy' melman Jun 2019 #58

Please, yourself. It's the putting normalcy as something that's to be Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #60

"give me some of the old fashioned" melman Jun 2019 #61

This country has been becoming more and more abnormal since 1980. marylandblue Jun 2019 #106

it's hilarious shanny Jun 2019 #114

Obviously Beto is not angling to be Biden's Veep. Funtatlaguy Jun 2019 #27

good thing. Biden won't be needing a Veep. shanny Jun 2019 #115

The nominee should multitask--against Trump & also move us forward essadaw Jun 2019 #28

+1. dalton99a Jun 2019 #122

Also, Beto is the only one TRULY battle tested in a similar race like it will be with Trump Indygram Jun 2019 #123

It is about getting Dotard out of there treestar Jun 2019 #32

I like Beto awesomerwb1 Jun 2019 #39

I suggest you watch the entire interview and not just this clip Indygram Jun 2019 #44

Will do when I have the time. Thanks. awesomerwb1 Jun 2019 #56

Beto was the first candidate to come out with a Climate Plan Indygram Jun 2019 #57

You don't have to sell me on Beto. awesomerwb1 Jun 2019 #73

And I'm a moderate Independent and love Beto too Indygram Jun 2019 #81

FULL VIDEO HERE (Context matters) Indygram Jun 2019 #45

+1 dalton99a Jun 2019 #90

The negative reactions here show why O'Rourke and others must take this approach. marylandblue Jun 2019 #47

Excellent response! nevergiveup Jun 2019 #49

Well said. shanny Jun 2019 #116

Reading some of the replies in this thread, it seems that people feel threatened Politicub Jun 2019 #48

Exactly...Trump "went back" and we need to go FORWARD Indygram Jun 2019 #51

Obama did not initiate big,bold,and visionary ideas. Yet he remains one of the most emmaverybo Jun 2019 #67

I think you do a good job advocating for Biden. Politicub Jun 2019 #69

His accomplishments were amazing. The ACA was amazing and as I had thought, despite all emmaverybo Jun 2019 #74

Yes - Once a century. So grateful to have experienced it. Politicub Jun 2019 #79

I appreciate your efforts evidenced in this post shanny Jun 2019 #117

If Mayor Pete had said this, everybody would love this. RLG Jun 2019 #50

I don't think that would be the case with everyone to be honest Indygram Jun 2019 #52

Pete said something about not going back to the 90s and DUers got very upset. marylandblue Jun 2019 #120

let's go Joe ! stonecutter357 Jun 2019 #59

Oh no crazytown Jun 2019 #64

it's clear he is talking about Biden. doesn't matter if he said the name or not JI7 Jun 2019 #65

It matters because Beto is providing a sound bite. crazytown Jun 2019 #66

Beto mentioned specific differences he had on immigration JI7 Jun 2019 #68

Beating Trump should be Objective #1-10. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #70

Yes it is about beating Trump JustAnotherGen Jun 2019 #72

I like Beto and contributed to him on his first day but his comments of Obama will hurt him Gothmog Jun 2019 #75

His "criticism" was that Obama deported 400k people, which is true Indygram Jun 2019 #82

Gracias for that, Gothmog! I know you Cha Jun 2019 #101

These comments hurt Beto with me and will hurt Beto with other Obama supporters Gothmog Jun 2019 #108

What exactly did he say that wasn't true? Indygram Jun 2019 #118

Defeating Trump is a good and necessary start, but what else is he gonna say so he can segue emmaverybo Jun 2019 #76

He's not wrong but beating Trump is by far the comradebillyboy Jun 2019 #78

It takes more than going back to 11:59 am Jan 19, 2017 to undo the damage dalton99a Jun 2019 #83

I'll take the Obama past over a Trump future. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #93

I'm tired of the Obama/Clinton bashing Bhkylib Jun 2019 #95

he didn't bash Obama Indygram Jun 2019 #97

+1. He was always respectful of Obama dalton99a Jun 2019 #100

You are wrong, Beto....... ProudMNDemocrat Jun 2019 #102

Should we return to the gridlock of Obama's 2nd term? marylandblue Jun 2019 #125

I agree, not just about trump kacekwl Jun 2019 #105

He is. aikoaiko Jun 2019 #124

can we at least go back 10 years into the past?? samnsara Jun 2019 #126

It all begins with defeating Trump, tho. sarabelle Jun 2019 #129

Post removed Post removed Jun 2019 #130

There is something about Beto that I do not trust. The way he turned on Biden mfcorey1 Jun 2019 #131

Beto is the only one I do trust Indygram Jun 2019 #132

I've seen him in action in person dalton99a Jun 2019 #136

Trump does not need any fodder from Beto. marylandblue Jun 2019 #133

We're not "simply" about defeating Trump. MineralMan Jun 2019 #141