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peggysue2

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33. People seem to forget public sentiment at the time
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 07:12 PM
Jun 2019

After 9/11, I think most Americans were shell-shocked by the attacks. Bush & Co capitalized on that, propagandized, beat the drum until a good 60+% of the public were in favor of the invasion. That turned, of course, but at the time the public wanted to retaliate, even though Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with the attacks. Anecdotally, I vividly recall social occasions where my husband and I were the only ones in the room who thought the invasion would not end well, was basically a stupid idea. I also recall your patriotism was questioned if you weren't an enthusiastic supporter. Freedom Fries, anyone? Yeah, even the French were dissed.

At the time, the landscape was very different. As for Colin Powell's involvement? What a huge disappointment! And Powell looked as if he wanted to be anywhere else that day but the UN. I remember I watched that presentation and thought: what a load of crap and the man knows it, too.

The past is never as simple as we pretend it is. Thanks for the link!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Fact: anyone who claims Dems like Kerry, Biden or Clinton 'voted for the Iraq War' is lying ... mr_lebowski Jun 2019 #1
Everyone in the world knew that Bush was chomping at the bit to invade Iraq... Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #2
No question!! Nothing complicated about it... a vote for the IWR was a vote for the "W"!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #53
That is what the IWR was about. It was wrong for Congrsss to rlinquish its rsponsibility, but you still_one Jun 2019 #3
Iraq Liberation Act was about providing assistance. Not sending American troops. thesquanderer Jun 2019 #5
If memory serves... didn't the "W" stand for WAR?! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #54
anyone who claims that those folks did not know qazplm135 Jun 2019 #4
+1000. Crunchy Frog Jun 2019 #23
Pretty much qazplm135 Jun 2019 #58
THIS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #55
I've been saying that for more than a decade. None of those three Senators EVER.... George II Jun 2019 #7
You can keep on saying it melman Jun 2019 #15
How did everybody know that? George II Jun 2019 #16
Nope melman Jun 2019 #17
Most likely because "everybody" did NOT know. George II Jun 2019 #18
He obviously talked with everybody nt NYMinute Jun 2019 #34
So you're saying he didn't vote to go to war Lordquinton Jun 2019 #25
Yes, and no. Got it? George II Jun 2019 #26
Not buying it Lordquinton Jun 2019 #27
The IWR is a non-issue NYMinute Jun 2019 #35
+1 betsuni Jun 2019 #43
Except it is an issue Lordquinton Jun 2019 #46
Why? NYMinute Jun 2019 #47
+1 betsuni Jun 2019 #48
Exacty! There were conditions for that vote. Bush crashed right threw the conditions... Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #8
Exactly. It's fair to say they were duped and/or the vote was ill-advised ... mr_lebowski Jun 2019 #12
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2019 #24
One could definitely make a case that that they failed to vote AGAINST it ... mr_lebowski Jun 2019 #31
I think this just might show differently (at least for one of them) Celerity Jun 2019 #50
Hillary is the one CLOSEST to have voted outright 'for war' mr_lebowski Jun 2019 #57
The had a binary choice, Yes, or No. They chose Yes. CentralMass Jun 2019 #51
Perhaps Biden's Achilles heel... trusting the other side to do what's right. thesquanderer Jun 2019 #6
The weapons inspectors were on the ground. Who knew bushco would Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #9
Hans Blix and UN weapons inspectors are convieniently ignored oasis Jun 2019 #36
They were saying there were no WMDs at the same time BushCo said there were. marylandblue Jun 2019 #40
Bush/Cheney brushed Blix aside and went to war. There was oasis Jun 2019 #44
I believed then and believe now it was a serious error in judgement. marylandblue Jun 2019 #45
If anyone has any doubt that the Senators knew what they were voting on...here are some speeches: Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #10
These are not mutually exclusive ideas ... mr_lebowski Jun 2019 #13
The resolution is publicly available. BlueWI Jun 2019 #19
That's a good point. I wish Biden would say the open-ended and conditional resolution was a mistake marylandblue Jun 2019 #42
Agreed. BlueWI Jun 2019 #56
It was a vote for war. Metatask Jun 2019 #11
"Probably"? George II Jun 2019 #38
Probably? sheshe2 Jun 2019 #39
You would consider not voting for Biden if it was Biden/Trump? ehrnst Jun 2019 #49
Bookmarking. MrsCoffee Jun 2019 #52
Thanks for the trivia package. Politicub Jun 2019 #14
So the sum total of lessons learned from that vote is BlueWI Jun 2019 #20
More than 6,000 American soldiers are dead and 50,000 plus were wounded because Politicub Jun 2019 #22
Half a million Iraqis also died in Bush's war. Damn right it haunts this country. Autumn Jun 2019 #30
W and Cheney would have found a way around the congress anyway. BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #21
Yup and Bush/Cheney were making noise that if they decided war was needed mr_lebowski Jun 2019 #32
Exactly NYMinute Jun 2019 #37
Thanks elleng Jun 2019 #28
Let's focus on beating Chump. Princetonian Jun 2019 #29
People seem to forget public sentiment at the time peggysue2 Jun 2019 #33
Yes! You were called unpatriotic and asked why you hate America. betsuni Jun 2019 #41
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