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NNadir

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132. Again, my opinion on so called "renewable energy" is...

Thu Mar 7, 2019, 05:34 PM

Mar 2019

...is based on 30 years of study of the scientific literature, the primary scientific literature.

This includes quite literally thousands of papers on so called "renewable energy" including many that are quite disturbing to me as an environmentalist. For just one example out of hundreds, there is the appalling and terrifying broad discussion of increasing the efficiency of solar cells using cesium hexaiodoplumbate perovskites, for example. Distributed energy using distributed lead is simply an insane idea.

It seems to me that people advocating bat and bird grinders in the sky have no idea how steel, aluminium and neodymium iron boride magnets are made, or, for that matter how long the devices last before becoming landfill.

I by contrast have carefully analyzed the wind turbine database provided by the energy agency of that offshore oil and gas drilling hellhole Denmark.

I posted this analysis here.

I don't know what "experts" I am alleged to have quoted in this thread, but I have certainly provided many hundreds of links to scientific papers in my writings here, which have guided my own thinking. For the record, I used to endorse so called "renewable energy" but I changed my mind.

Also the paper I most frequently link here in my posts and comments is the open source 2012 publication in Envir. Sci Tech coauthored by the most prominent climate scientist in the US, Jim Hansen.

You may define for yourself who and who is not an expert, but my definition is sure to differ, since you define a trillion dollar industry, the solar industry, as immature. It is failed as a climate strategy, and is useless, but it is not immature.

The solar cell was invented in 1954.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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I love Kamala, but I'M IN FOR GOVERNOR JAY INSLEE [View all] ancianita Mar 2019 OP

yep..hes my Gov.. Im still rooting for Joe but I will take Jay any day of the week! samnsara Mar 2019 #1

I agree disndat Mar 2019 #88

Nice to hear that from a Washingtonian. I like what Hortensis Mar 2019 #127

Washingtonian here...He's pretty good... Wounded Bear Mar 2019 #2

Inslee is AOC with experience! ancianita Mar 2019 #3

Great Guy DownriverDem Mar 2019 #4

He's our dark horse progressive. Can't wait to watch him in primary debates and town halls. ancianita Mar 2019 #5

I just changed my preference Freddie Mar 2019 #6

Yes, he can! ancianita Mar 2019 #11

Thanks for posting this, ancianita. I'm impressed. hedda_foil Mar 2019 #7

Never heard of him til now. LakeArenal Mar 2019 #8

Very impressed with his Rachel interview aeromanKC Mar 2019 #9

+1 Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #21

He would be better as DOE secretary. roamer65 Mar 2019 #24

Don't agree. He's exhibited awesome leadership abilities, and Auggie Mar 2019 #29

If Biden doesn't run, I'm with Jay. roamer65 Mar 2019 #95

He's the only candidate who's been a Governor. Why would he be better as a DOE secretary? n/t pnwmom Mar 2019 #72

He's great but Byronic Mar 2019 #112

Hickenlooper hadn't announced yet. n/t pnwmom Mar 2019 #113

That is what I was thinking too. BigmanPigman Mar 2019 #92

Inslee/Harris is the ticket Perseus Mar 2019 #10

I totally agree! Harris can bring in at least two demographics -- women and African Americans. ancianita Mar 2019 #13

Yep. That's my dream ticket, too. calimary Mar 2019 #51

If Kamala Harris is not on the ticket crazycatlady Mar 2019 #22

Or as a future SCOTUS Associate Justice. calimary Mar 2019 #53

That would be two people from states likely to go democratic anyway rurallib Mar 2019 #30

I agree, except that that's a full West Coast ticket. LisaM Mar 2019 #79

If Joe doesnt run, I will swtich my preference to Jay. roamer65 Mar 2019 #12

Compare Joe's and Jay's records. One stands out as more progressive. ancianita Mar 2019 #15

I'm still for Harris, but would also be delighted if Inslee got the nomination! MoonRiver Mar 2019 #14

Thanks for posting this Andy823 Mar 2019 #16

I too was impressed with him... Stellar Mar 2019 #17

I agree he is definitely the candidate for climate change frazzled Mar 2019 #18

I recommend David Wallace-Wells' "The Uninhabitable Earth."(2019) It convinces me: climate change ancianita Mar 2019 #27

Yes, if we don't get a climate-change president it will be bad frazzled Mar 2019 #31

I just don't understand why you doubt his winnability. Do you have real reasons? ancianita Mar 2019 #36

I don't doubt it necessarily: I am looking at all of them for that frazzled Mar 2019 #41

My belief, well founded by climate scientists, is that endorsing a climate change candidate ancianita Mar 2019 #46

Watch the news... it's already bad. Climate change isn't coming. It's already started. Bucky Mar 2019 #54

How insulting frazzled Mar 2019 #58

Please don't take insult where none's intended. It really is SO much worse than media show. ancianita Mar 2019 #64

Here's a picture of what you and Inslee are talking about. From a little over a year ago. ancianita Mar 2019 #65

What also struck me was a look at the African continent. calimary Mar 2019 #68

We all should. We've passed over the climate change threshhold. Inslee is the visionary gamechanger ancianita Mar 2019 #71

I don't freaking need convincing! frazzled Mar 2019 #142

You're not my only audience here, so just calm down about what I wrote two whole days ago. ancianita Mar 2019 #143

Then try not replying to my post frazzled Mar 2019 #144

I agree with all of that and I think LuvNewcastle Mar 2019 #141

Inslee is my favorite candidate so far. His state was voted best for business and employees. He talking-liberally Mar 2019 #19

Everyone was impressed with his interview on Rachel PatSeg Mar 2019 #20

In My Mind, Climate Change Is The Issue of Most Importance in... StarzGuy Mar 2019 #23

Any candidate who doesn't grasp that climate change is the biggest threat we face Autumn Mar 2019 #25

Can't help but agree. calimary Mar 2019 #69

Everything else is just distraction. We do this or we die. Autumn Mar 2019 #70

I'm in. chomper Mar 2019 #26

In The Rolling Stone: "Jay Inslee Wants to Be the First Climate President. Is America Ready?" ancianita Mar 2019 #28

Great article BeyondGeography Mar 2019 #32

All I know is - this American IS ready. calimary Mar 2019 #59

oh so glad ... ancianita Mar 2019 #62

Me 2 MFM008 Mar 2019 #33

Most critical issue in 2020 is... at140 Mar 2019 #34

Sorry. All the wealth and knowledge of it in the world won't matter past 2 degrees Celsius. ancianita Mar 2019 #37

I spent 17 years in WA state before moving out at140 Mar 2019 #42

We'll see in the debates. Inslee has more facts packed into his politics than anyone I know. ancianita Mar 2019 #44

If debates mattered that much, we'd have Hillary right now Lulu KC Mar 2019 #102

When the climate numbers out there come out in debates, they'll matter a helluva lot. And suddenly. ancianita Mar 2019 #106

I do hope so--no laughing matter n/t Lulu KC Mar 2019 #139

Sadly, that's IT. Right there. calimary Mar 2019 #66

Jay is very progressive on economics, and he wants to use a Green New deal to help pnwmom Mar 2019 #73

I haven't heard much about him but what I have heard is all good yaesu Mar 2019 #35

Same here. Heard him on Rachel for 2 mins. Duppers Mar 2019 #38

Donation page added in the OP. ancianita Mar 2019 #39

I went to HS with him mntleo2 Mar 2019 #40

He looks squeaky clean against oppo research, doesn't he. ancianita Mar 2019 #45

...and if he doesn't get the nod - make him EPA or Energy secretary. tinrobot Mar 2019 #43

Harris-O'Rourke with Inslee leading the EPA. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #47

Ask them how they will prioritize climate change energy infrastructure change. ancianita Mar 2019 #49

Agreed with Anacianata above. BlueWI Mar 2019 #56

I heard him for the first time on Rachel and was very impressed. efhmc Mar 2019 #48

I'm right there with ya, ancianita! calimary Mar 2019 #50

That's an impressive surge in DU's poll, jumping 1% to 3% overnight Bucky Mar 2019 #52

I think he's trying to actually save beaches so DU can keep its swimsuit competition. ancianita Mar 2019 #55

We have lots of good Democrats running, but Governor Inslee is on top of the list now for me trickyguy Mar 2019 #57

Thank you! I'm so glad you're reading this book. If enough of us do, it's the game changer ancianita Mar 2019 #60

He's my governor and he's virtually unassailable. nolabear Mar 2019 #61

Inslee: "I wish nothing but the best for Donald Trump, including having the top bunk." ancianita Mar 2019 #63

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 nolabear Mar 2019 #75

Our options are looking brighter. My hope just got a shot in the arm... Guilded Lilly Mar 2019 #67

Thought all our candidates felt this way. Glad he's emphasizing it. He's absolutely right onit2day Mar 2019 #74

They all are supposed to support the Democratic Party Platform. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #78

I'm in for Kamala, but I'll happily vote for Inslee if he wins the primary. I like him! Squinch Mar 2019 #76

This! yuiyoshida Mar 2019 #91

I am VERY interested in him. I need to research him more. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #77

Yep. He and Harris are the IT factor for the election. Harris/Inslee or Inslee/Harris in 2020. ancianita Mar 2019 #81

I don't think I'd vote for Harris as the nominee. So that is not an option for me. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #86

I tend to agree. But I'd also put it to you that she's a quick study. ancianita Mar 2019 #90

Well, maybe. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #94

I am equally impressed by him. debsy Mar 2019 #80

He was my congress person, now my governor. Buzz cook Mar 2019 #82

Jay voted against assault weapons! Cha Mar 2019 #83

He WAS brilliant to go down on that assault weapons ban hill! Glad you have a birthdate in common! ancianita Mar 2019 #85

I hope Inslee speaks with these climate change youth protesters on March 15. ancianita Mar 2019 #84

First close up look... N_E_1 for Tennis Mar 2019 #87

Yes, never listened to him until Rachel and he's pretty exciting. Kind of Blue Mar 2019 #89

Harris. Iggo Mar 2019 #93

White male governor who can do a ton with a few words Awsi Dooger Mar 2019 #96

Add me to the impressed list. kcr Mar 2019 #97

Inslee struggled to get the WA legislature to take action. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #98

Of course climate change is the most important issue before humanity. But... NNadir Mar 2019 #99

Know why green hasn't beaten fossil energy yet? First To Market. That's all you've proven. ancianita Mar 2019 #103

I have 30 years under my belt... NNadir Mar 2019 #107

Sorry, your cred's not convincing.Renewable energy is the only path through, even if not out of, ancianita Mar 2019 #108

You are absolutely free to hold science and scientists... NNadir Mar 2019 #111

I'm pretty sure that I don't hold panicked climate scientists in contempt, but in highest regard. ancianita Mar 2019 #121

Again, my opinion on so called "renewable energy" is... NNadir Mar 2019 #132

So all that you've concluded is that, in 30 years, papers have shown disturbing flaws; and THAT, ancianita Mar 2019 #133

Technologies clearly exist that WILL work to address climate change. NNadir Mar 2019 #136

Thanks for your posts. I'm old, too, not a scientist, and with only familiarity on climate issues, ancianita Mar 2019 #140

You don't have more years in environmental technology and policy than me marylandblue Mar 2019 #135

You do realize what happened in the industrial revolution, don't you? NNadir Mar 2019 #137

You sure say a lot for someone not trying to convince anyone of anything. marylandblue Mar 2019 #138

This has got to be my favorite... NNadir Mar 2019 #145

Of course, no one's plan in full will ever pass, or be 100% effective. It's a starting point. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #115

Well said, I think. NNadir Mar 2019 #117

An Inslee/Harris ticket is the way to go. They're both smart and appealing candidates. trickyguy Mar 2019 #100

Actually, I think I like a Harris/Inslee combo better... Raster Mar 2019 #101

Sanders is my current Primary choice, Inslee is my current Governor. chwaliszewski Mar 2019 #104

POTUS won't matter once the Earth passes the 2 degree Celsius mark. I'm shocked people don't see ancianita Mar 2019 #105

The actions taken to address climate change won't depend on which Democrat is in the White House. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #110

Climate disasters don't care. Except WE do. We want the BEST Democrat in the WH. ancianita Mar 2019 #118

It's time for us to see ahead better. And plan accordingly. Governor Inslee is ON IT. ancianita Mar 2019 #120

You completely missed the point, but it's all good. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #122

Maybe. Thanks for reading. If anyone cares to clarify what you've said, I'd appreciate it. ancianita Mar 2019 #123

Thanks for the lecture. chwaliszewski Mar 2019 #114

Don't give me another thought. Let the next climate disaster "lecture" you. ancianita Mar 2019 #119

You're talking to me as if I've never heard of climate change before. chwaliszewski Mar 2019 #126

It's not meant as a lecture. Only a perspective that needs foregrounding in the election. ancianita Mar 2019 #128

Fair enough. chwaliszewski Mar 2019 #130

He's my second choice. Turin_C3PO Mar 2019 #109

I heard this a.m. that Biden says he's 95% he'll jump in. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #116

I'm all in with you on both of these awesome candidates. classof56 Mar 2019 #124

Cheers! And thanks. ancianita Mar 2019 #125

Now that Brown isn't in the running, I'm going to do a little more reading on Inslee. lkinwi Mar 2019 #129

I thought he did a great job on Rachel fishwax Mar 2019 #131

I think he has a really good chance. BigmanPigman Mar 2019 #134

Recent video edits are now in the OP. Sorry I missed the removals due to copyright. ancianita Mar 2019 #146