Democratic Primaries

betsuni

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88. Reminds me of what our pal Susan Sarandon said about the last nominee:

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 08:19 PM

Jun 2019

More dangerous than Trump. "I believe she is more dangerous. She did not learn from Iraq, and she is an interventionist, and she has done horrible things ... . I think we'll be in Iran in two seconds." They'll probably at least try to do the same to Biden if he's the nominee. Trump is the peacemaker and the Democrat the warmonger. (Of course our pal did not learn anything from 2016 because she is an idiot.)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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The reason I don't think Trump will start a war is the same reason why Biden is the wrong candidate [View all] mtnsnake Jun 2019 OP

Interesting. Maybe that's why we are not in a war yet, despite all of Trump's bluffing. marylandblue Jun 2019 #1

Nope, the ONLY reason we (USA, Rump) do ANYTHING is Putin. He calls ALL the shots. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2019 #33

sick and tired of wars? i doubt it. unblock Jun 2019 #2

Bring back the draft, no standing armies happyaccident Jun 2019 #76

If Trump thinks a war will help him in 2020 ... left-of-center2012 Jun 2019 #3

You do remember the Senate was lied to before the Iraq war vote? pwb Jun 2019 #4

I also remember how so many smart people didn't believe the lies & predicted what would happen, mtnsnake Jun 2019 #5

Your talking about the Senate vote, not smart people. pwb Jun 2019 #6

um, "defending us" on the basis of a lie is not defending us shanny Jun 2019 #10

I don't see it that way. pwb Jun 2019 #12

oy vey shanny Jun 2019 #15

The Pukes lied, not Biden. pwb Jun 2019 #17

I think mtnsnake's point is that Biden's war vote will be used against him marylandblue Jun 2019 #47

For sure mtnsnake Jun 2019 #52

The Iraq war hasn't been a significant factor in a GE since 2008 BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #98

In a close election, it's really hard to say what was "significant" and "most people" don't matter marylandblue Jun 2019 #99

ofttimes NOT going to war is 'defending us' nt Celerity Jun 2019 #24

a shambolic exercise if ever there was one shanny Jun 2019 #9

Well said. mtnsnake Jun 2019 #11

backatcha shanny Jun 2019 #13

No, they shouldn't. It was along time ago and the only ones who are are the candidates who are Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #34

Thousands of American lives lost shanny Jun 2019 #53

And Biden did all of that single-handedly? LMAO Vegas Roller Jun 2019 #69

of course not. duh. shanny Jun 2019 #72

You realize that IWR would have passed Vegas Roller Jun 2019 #74

Conveniently forgotten, I'm sure. BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #19

That is a very good reason to vote AGAINST giving the liars authority to go to war Martin Eden Jun 2019 #71

" He tried to slow Bush's rush to war before he voted for it." You need some background emmaverybo Jun 2019 #7

I realize this doesn't go over well with Biden supporters, obviously, but mtnsnake Jun 2019 #8

I'm not a "Biden supporter" awesomerwb1 Jun 2019 #22

Thank you!! Some sanity left somewhere... Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #61

Trump's win had nothing to do with Iraq...he eked out an electoral college win in the blue wall Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #32

You don't know how many people in those three states disliked Hillary for her war vote. marylandblue Jun 2019 #49

I live in Ohio ... most supported the war and still do to a point...I would say 0...she lost because Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #50

So you've spoken to everyone in the State of Ohio, and marylandblue Jun 2019 #57

I doubt any of us underestimate what the Trump/RW machine will do to any Dem nominee. NT emmaverybo Jun 2019 #77

It doesn't matter wtf trump will Cha Jun 2019 #81

+1000 sheshe2 Jun 2019 #84

Gracias, she! Cha Jun 2019 #85

You're right of course. But when the spin gets going, facts don't matter. hedda_foil Jun 2019 #14

He IS painted as a war-monger, Anita Hill's arch-nemesis, the "architect of mass emmaverybo Jun 2019 #25

Remember Kerry and the swiftboaters? Never say anything might not stick. hedda_foil Jun 2019 #83

Warren will be painted as a socialist as well...the difference is it won't work with Biden. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #29

You are right that any nominee will painted negatively, but that includes Joe Biden karynnj Jun 2019 #51

"Biden is the nominee who voted us into a disastrous war....." George II Jun 2019 #16

Not if your goal is to harm his candidacy Eliot Rosewater Jun 2019 #35

All else having failed I see the haters are circling back to IWR BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #18

Instead of trying to insult me, you should try being thoughtful like all the others in this thread mtnsnake Jun 2019 #23

Your concern/wishful thinking is duly noted. BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #26

I don't hate any candidate, including Joe Biden. democrank Jun 2019 #38

So don't vote for him then. BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #41

I will "be for someone" when I make my decision. Not until. democrank Jun 2019 #58

That won't work for Biden voters...and Biden has been vetted thus is the best candidate...and there Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #28

That particular post was only to Bannon mtnsnake Jun 2019 #31

Just pointing out that Biden voters won't be poached... Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #36

Not poached. But they are leaving him. progressoid Jun 2019 #68

There is video out there that shows Trump redstateblues Jun 2019 #44

If you're talking about the Iraq War, Trump's MO was to blast Hillary for voting for it. He also mtnsnake Jun 2019 #48

Of course it didn't. He lied and Matthews et al didn't call him on it. Like so many other things the redstateblues Jun 2019 #97

The other desperate shit is not working...Biden is still winning and will be the nominee in my Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #27

It couldn't be more obvious BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #30

I agree...be for something and somebody.. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #37

Beyond that, the logic is childlike. BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #59

All of your attempts to brush aside any legitimate concerns about Biden are a reflection mtnsnake Jun 2019 #63

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This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #45

Try being for someone. BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #46

There you go again implying I'm not for anyone when that is the farthest thing from the truth mtnsnake Jun 2019 #54

All I ever see are silly concern posts about Biden like this one. BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #55

Prove it Vegas Roller Jun 2019 #75

To the OP, all roads lead to Biden as the wrong candidate. Vegas Roller Jun 2019 #20

well said.. well said Peacetrain Jun 2019 #39

+1000 Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #66

LOL! peggysue2 Jun 2019 #60

Trump would provoke military action without a war resolution IronLionZion Jun 2019 #21

We are not picking a candidate based on what the Dotard will have to say about them treestar Jun 2019 #40

I agree we are not basing it on that, but we need to take everything into account mtnsnake Jun 2019 #43

desperation ! stonecutter357 Jun 2019 #56

Agreed. BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #64

It wasn't even a factor, let alone "not the only reason he won". MrsCoffee Jun 2019 #62

Exactly. People keep forgetting that Clinton (should have) won. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #65

Boggles the mind. MrsCoffee Jun 2019 #67

so which of those 3 things is gonna be dif this time? questionseverything Jun 2019 #79

Those are the things we should be addressing. MrsCoffee Jun 2019 #80

the problem is we are not fighting on even ground and we havent been since electronic vote counting questionseverything Jun 2019 #82

Iraq War vote Martin Eden Jun 2019 #70

LOL betsuni Jun 2019 #78

... Cha Jun 2019 #87

Reminds me of what our pal Susan Sarandon said about the last nominee: betsuni Jun 2019 #88

What a freaking moron.. T Fisher King speaks for me.. Cha Jun 2019 #89

When asked about that she just says that Obama did it too but was more sneaky about it. betsuni Jun 2019 #90

Proving once again Cha Jun 2019 #92

Susan Sarandon Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2019 #91

Yes.. Sarandon is the epitome of rich white privelege.. Cha Jun 2019 #93

I don't think the Iraq War Resolution will be a major factor in the 2020 general election. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #86

Silly argument. HRC's vote for the Iraq War didn't stop her from winning the popular vote in 2016. highplainsdem Jun 2019 #94

Ikr! Thank You! Cha Jun 2019 #95

If Biden falters it won't be because of his positions. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2019 #96

maybe, but that undermines the idea that Sanders is too left wing to be electable, marylandblue Jun 2019 #100

I've wondered about this... Mike Nelson Jun 2019 #101