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Gothmog

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90. Charlie Cook-The 2020 Path Democrats Shouldn't Take
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:08 PM
Mar 2019

I tend to agree with Charlie Cook. We need to run a candidate who can beat trump https://cookpolitical.com/analysis/national/national-politics/2020-path-democrats-shouldnt-take

If this election is going to be a referendum on Donald Trump as a person and president, then Democrats ought to have a good shot at winning. But if the election becomes somewhat more complicated, with Democrats embarking on a path that is considerably more ideological than the one that Presidents Clinton and Obama pursued—the former going center-left, the latter further left, but not too far—then that could make for a considerably more competitive general election. The most recent growth area in the Democratic Party has been among college-educated, suburban women, and their movement toward the Democrats is more the product of their aversion to Trump than an embrace of democratic socialism.....

But when these same voters were asked how they felt about voting for someone who was a socialist, 43 percent said “very uncomfortable” and another 29 percent “have some reservations.” Just 4 percent were “enthusiastic” and 21 percent “comfortable.” Among all adults, 6 percent viewed socialism very positively, 12 percent somewhat positively, 27 percent neutrally, 14 percent somewhat negatively and 36 percent very negatively. According to First Read, the morning newsletter published by NBC News’s political unit, just 9 percent of independents and 13 percent of moderates view socialism favorably, a flashing red light for Democrats contemplating embracing that approach.

It is very clear, listening to Trump as well as to GOP strategists, that they are building up democratic socialism as the straw man to knock down in this campaign. Their goal obviously is to make electing a Democratic president an unacceptable alternative to Trump. So it basically comes down to whether Democrats want this election to be about Trump or about embarking on a new and different philosophical direction. One of those paths seems to be very risky.

I want to run a candidate who is electable. Beating trump is the most important thing
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
The latter of course. democratisphere Mar 2019 #1
The right for women to vote Eko Mar 2019 #4
Why not both? Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #2
Because we have a divided government. Eko Mar 2019 #3
Not if the Senate Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #6
As of now Eko Mar 2019 #9
Perhaps Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #11
So Joe Manchin ...I am no fan but one way to make it blue is elect and REELECT any democrat Eliot Rosewater Mar 2019 #26
"Work with the Republicans" Lulzd. Voltaire2 Mar 2019 #40
The 2018 blue tsunami watoos Mar 2019 #77
How (specifically) does a divided government allow for one or the other, yet not both? LanternWaste Mar 2019 #57
We need to win in 2020 and I will not risk putting up an unelectable candidate Gothmog Mar 2019 #12
YOu wont, I wont, but many will Eliot Rosewater Mar 2019 #27
Because lots of people who live on the coasts think the entire country thinks and votes like they do redstatebluegirl Mar 2019 #52
Yeah that sure was a terrible mistake. Voltaire2 Mar 2019 #41
Any candidate than wins the nom is electible. BlueWI Mar 2019 #47
That is not the case for a couple of the nominees Gothmog Mar 2019 #48
Candidates who can't win in the general BlueWI Mar 2019 #50
I know that I will be busy in the primary as to a couple of current candidates Gothmog Mar 2019 #54
Thanks! BlueWI Mar 2019 #55
I like Beto, Biden, Harris, Brown, Booker, Klobuchar and Warren Gothmog Mar 2019 #56
BTW, I sat three rows behind Senator Warren at the National Convention Gothmog Mar 2019 #67
Excellent! BlueWI Mar 2019 #83
The latter. Even more, we need someone who can corral the broadest public support. WheelWalker Mar 2019 #5
We need someone who can Defend the Obama Admin record that trump Kahuna7 Mar 2019 #85
As you said yourself Obama tried. denverbill Mar 2019 #7
Do you think that moving further left Eko Mar 2019 #13
No, nothing, NOTHING will bring more Republicans on board. denverbill Mar 2019 #17
So, how do we get things passed? Eko Mar 2019 #18
Nominate people that have bold visions and push your friends to vote for them. denverbill Mar 2019 #34
we did that and Mitch McConnell blocked as much of his agenda as possible crazycatlady Mar 2019 #36
Mitch McConnell, or any other Republican, will always do the same. denverbill Mar 2019 #42
Hear hear BlueWI Mar 2019 #49
Joe Lieberman was an independent. Eko Mar 2019 #68
Minor point, but it was Taiwan. Singapore's health Perrenial Voter Mar 2019 #44
Duh? Nailed it! nt Kahuna7 Mar 2019 #86
I want to elect someone who will fight for liberalism. Not someone who will push our party away from CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #8
I want someone is clearly electable Gothmog Mar 2019 #10
"Getting things done" is not a function of left vs. center. marylandblue Mar 2019 #14
I never said anything about the center. Eko Mar 2019 #15
Well you said "Push the party to the left" or "cross the aisle." marylandblue Mar 2019 #19
How will we do that? Eko Mar 2019 #20
Can you give some real world examples of Eko Mar 2019 #16
Well, there are some ways I can think of, but I can't promise they will work marylandblue Mar 2019 #24
SMH. Eko Mar 2019 #28
Congress DOES NOT do all those things, and when they do do it marylandblue Mar 2019 #35
Uh, Eko Mar 2019 #69
When you find the law that says the President can't create a thing called "a plan" marylandblue Mar 2019 #75
"Getting things done" is the most useless phrase..... doompatrol39 Mar 2019 #21
"Nobody is going to get fuck all done Eko Mar 2019 #22
Just about every one of our candidates would do both. WeekiWater Mar 2019 #23
I dont see anyone getting an environmental bill Eko Mar 2019 #25
Neither do I but I'm glad your brought it up. WeekiWater Mar 2019 #31
Get Good Things DONE. Cha Mar 2019 #29
Biden is the best qualified with the most experience in national and global diplomacy. LakeArenal Mar 2019 #30
Yuuup! And also to defend the Obama record that trump lies about constantly. nt Kahuna7 Mar 2019 #87
If you want to get something done make sure not to elect someone who Eliot Rosewater Mar 2019 #32
It is not a binary decision. We don't decide our platform wasupaloopa Mar 2019 #33
I dont think we have a long term. Eko Mar 2019 #70
We want to elect someone who is honest and has integrity forklift Mar 2019 #37
A candidate who can WIN Freddie Mar 2019 #38
For my post #1,312 since joining DU in 2004, one word: INSLEE watrwefitinfor Mar 2019 #66
Totally with you! Without a candidate squarely and knowledgeably behind climate change, any ancianita Mar 2019 #74
The most important consideration for me in the upcoming election is transforming our nation and walkingman Mar 2019 #81
We need someone who will get things done Progressive dog Mar 2019 #39
I'm worried about the rightward lurch to fascism making this question moot Starry Messenger Mar 2019 #43
The CA GOP is nearly dead, but we are electing great liberal Democrats to office not leftists. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #62
These aren't mutually exclusive. Progressive Perrenial Voter Mar 2019 #45
Electability should be the sole concern Awsi Dooger Mar 2019 #46
I don't believe it's either/or, even with a divided government. n/t TygrBright Mar 2019 #51
Its up to the American people duforsure Mar 2019 #53
Both. And we have plenty of candidates who can do this already ... Harris, Booker, Warren, Sanders, KPN Mar 2019 #58
Get what done? zipplewrath Mar 2019 #59
Exactly. Trump has gotten things done, but what gets Perrenial Voter Mar 2019 #61
Those big, nasty "leftist" ideas... Eyeball_Kid Mar 2019 #60
I never said leftist at all. Eko Mar 2019 #71
We want to elect someone get the red out Mar 2019 #63
The only thing we seem to work with Republicans on is big Defense Budgets. Interesting eh? jalan48 Mar 2019 #64
Left. dogman Mar 2019 #65
This Washington Post piece is interesting Gothmog Mar 2019 #72
All signs are that the party is naturally shifting towards the left right now. jcmaine72 Mar 2019 #73
False choice. mahina Mar 2019 #76
A better question would be lancelyons Mar 2019 #78
Gov Jay Inslee is already Left and doesn't have to tear anyone Cha Mar 2019 #79
False dichotomy... regnaD kciN Mar 2019 #80
We need to ignore the repukes. 58Sunliner Mar 2019 #82
There are two major advantages I see in going with Biden... Kahuna7 Mar 2019 #84
Unless we take back the Senate and hold the house as well as winning the White House, Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #88
We want someone who can get elected... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2019 #89
Charlie Cook-The 2020 Path Democrats Shouldn't Take Gothmog Mar 2019 #90
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