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Garrett78

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20. Exactly. The focus must be on turning out the base, not flipping Trump voters.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 11:23 PM
Mar 2019

There are going to be those odd, fickle and ignorant people who voted for Trump who will vote Dem in 2020. Whether they've become disenchanted or were blinded by hatred for Clinton or just like constant change or whatever, they exist. No choice of nominee or strategy will alter that reality. Even if the quantity of such voters were to be impacted by our choice of nominee, it would pale in comparison to the impact made by choosing someone who will turn out POC and young voters in greater numbers than we saw in 2016.

People didn't vote for Trump because of white economic anxiety (POC presumably don't experience economic anxiety) or because Clinton placed too much emphasis on identity politics (both of those narratives have been proven false). And to center a nomination or general election campaign around flipping Trump voters would be the height of lunacy.

There were many factors at play in 2016 that won't be at play in 2020, not the least of which was that we had 2 historically unpopular candidates going head to head. It's highly unfortunate that Clinton had a net approval rating well below 0, but that's the reality. That (along with Russia and Wikileaks, the newness of Trump following a build-up of racial resentment over 8 years, the attitude that said "let's give him a shot because what's the worst that can happen", the taking for granted that Clinton would win and "therefore, we can vote 3rd party or stay home", Comey's last minute announcement, etc., etc., etc.) made for a dynamic that is not at all comparable to, frankly, any other election in our history.

We dominated PA, MI and WI from 1992 through 2012 and made gains in those states in 2018. I don't buy this notion that we must nominate a white male or moderate in order to get those states back in our column (I think that notion is rooted in the aforementioned false narratives).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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A lot of Dems do as well. brooklynite Mar 2019 #1
Idgaf what republicans want. onecaliberal Mar 2019 #2
THAT MyOwnPeace Mar 2019 #5
Exactly. We cannot allow republicans to control our actions. onecaliberal Mar 2019 #6
Precisely Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #7
I care what they want as much as they care what we need. onecaliberal Mar 2019 #9
You and me both, my friend. calimary Mar 2019 #36
How did that work out in the 2014 midterms? Oh yeah, the Democrats were slaughtered. DetlefK Mar 2019 #3
victory up and down the ticket is most important objective rampartc Mar 2019 #4
I understand that even some Dems want a moderate candidate Docreed2003 Mar 2019 #8
Great quote. Thank you. WeekiWater Mar 2019 #10
Yep! calimary Mar 2019 #37
Exactly. The focus must be on turning out the base, not flipping Trump voters. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #20
+1 Docreed2003 Mar 2019 #24
The Republicans (and Trumpists especially) are panicked that Joe Biden will be the nominee. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #11
He'll win back the three states that were supposed to be "The Blue Wall" Sugarcoated Mar 2019 #16
Fuck the Republicans. They can run a centrist candidate on their ticket. Or one who is Autumn Mar 2019 #12
No they don't...clearly the win in 18 was in moderate districts... far left candidate Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #13
Charlie Cook-The 2020 Path Democrats Shouldn't Take Gothmog Mar 2019 #14
46% of Florida exit poll responders said Andrew Gillum was too liberal for the state Awsi Dooger Mar 2019 #22
I like Gilliam but I agree that he was the wrong nominee Gothmog Mar 2019 #30
The opposite. They already are beating up on socialism. R B Garr Mar 2019 #15
what? Have never ever seen any right wing encouragement for a centrist!!! Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #17
Really? The likes of George Will, Steve Schmidt and others do so regularly. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #18
I think that's just crazy talk. If they "want" someone Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #19
We can agree to disagree. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #21
How about we go with someone immensely qualified?? Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #23
Those people don't get much attention, though. R B Garr Mar 2019 #25
They are loving it. A Joe Biden nomination stops this BS in its tracks. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #26
+1, yes. Trump is not a serious person. He just wants a R B Garr Mar 2019 #27
I seriously don't know how Trump could pull his bullying behavior with Joe Biden. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #28
"Centrist or self-described socialist" is a false choice. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #32
Actually, I wasn't even thinking of winning Trump voters, just R B Garr Mar 2019 #33
That was my point. Obama resurrected Biden's political career. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #34
Since the majority of democratic voters.... quickesst Mar 2019 #29
I want a candidate who is electable Gothmog Mar 2019 #31
There is truth to this Renew Deal Mar 2019 #35
Exactly right. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #38
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