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betsuni

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61. Women aren't allowed to do normal politics.

Reply to EffieBlack (Reply #18)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 08:19 AM

Jun 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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If Bernie or Beto had challenged Biden the way Harris did, would people here be as angry with them [View all] EffieBlack Jun 2019 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Jun 2019 #1

I think a Biden-Pete ticket would have difficulty energizing key voters in our base EffieBlack Jun 2019 #2

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Who do you think would "overly energize his base"? EffieBlack Jun 2019 #10

They can find a way to be angry at or hate anyone. The will try to demonize any challengers. kysrsoze Jun 2019 #21

Then why suggest avoiding picking someone who would energize his base EffieBlack Jun 2019 #22

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In other words, we must pick a straight white man EffieBlack Jun 2019 #24

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We only lost in 2016 by 80K votes in 3 states, despite massive voter suppression pnwmom Jun 2019 #44

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That's absolutely true. And that's why I think it is ridiculous to think Biden is our only hope n/t pnwmom Jun 2019 #96

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Right... and who can win those states back is the question...MI, WI and PA... I don't see any Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #88

There's zero reason to think that Biden is the only person who could get those 80K votes. pnwmom Jun 2019 #97

Exactly Andy823 Jun 2019 #94

This!!!!!!10000 times this!!!!!!! tulipsandroses Jun 2019 #135

I think Biden-Anyone wins every state that HRC won. What VP helps in MI/WI/PA and maybe elsewhere? thesquanderer Jun 2019 #86

Made Pete look more True Blue American Jun 2019 #39

Yes - fix schools and stop funding chartered schools!!! floppyboo Jun 2019 #139

Yes mdelaguna Jun 2019 #55

I have no problem with strong women. I am disappointed in her angry confrontation because I emmaverybo Jun 2019 #4

When did she get angry? EffieBlack Jun 2019 #6

She was not calm. And I am offended that you insinuate I am reading in anger because she is emmaverybo Jun 2019 #9

She was very calm. There was absolutely nothing "angry" about her tone or demeanor EffieBlack Jun 2019 #12

I edited my initial response. I would appreciate your reading it. I do not tonight want to see the emmaverybo Jun 2019 #20

I don't know what your original response was, 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #133

True, Very true, very true. NT emmaverybo Jun 2019 #134

I thought she was angry and played the victim somewhat...not a good idea when you run for president. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #89

+1000 Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #100

I actually got the impression that she was sympathetic toward him while pushing him into a corner, Chemisse Jun 2019 #78

She cut him, badly. MontanaFarmer Jun 2019 #84

I saw her as emotional but not angry mcar Jun 2019 #80

Agree! True Blue American Jun 2019 #40

Why is it so hard for Biden to make a simple apology? That's all it would have taken. pnwmom Jun 2019 #46

he shouldn't apologize because he said nothing wrong. The wrong is Kamala mischaracterized his words onetexan Jun 2019 #81

Indeed Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #101

No reason to apologize to Hill. He voted against Thomas. She wanted the hearing. Republicans did emmaverybo Jun 2019 #93

Here is a tweet on the matter: applegrove Jun 2019 #5

Thanks for this! EffieBlack Jun 2019 #7

That is a great response! mcar Jun 2019 #82

Excellent! NastyRiffraff Jun 2019 #118

The only negative thing I could say is her points reach way back. That said... kysrsoze Jun 2019 #8

Don't rule it out yet. Liberty Belle Jun 2019 #11

True. I still like Joe Biden. He's a good guy, deep down. Its going to be an interesting primary. kysrsoze Jun 2019 #19

If Sanders or O'Rourke described an opponent's words as "hurtful," would it generate RHMerriman Jun 2019 #13

Good point (nt) mr_lebowski Jun 2019 #16

Trump would laugh out loud at it... RHMerriman Jun 2019 #38

Trump will mock anything any Dem will say kcr Jun 2019 #60

You're pretty hung up on that word, aren't you? EffieBlack Jun 2019 #17

You didn't answer the questions, however... RHMerriman Jun 2019 #42

Harris didn't have the spotlight on her for being Obama's VP for 8 years. She's not been getting by pnwmom Jun 2019 #48

Yes, it was calculated and contrived. We agree there. RHMerriman Jun 2019 #49

But was she shrill? mcar Jun 2019 #83

No to the above... RHMerriman Jun 2019 #120

Again, Biden gets emotional on a regular basis mcar Jun 2019 #122

Biden lost a spouse and two children RHMerriman Jun 2019 #123

You apparently missed the fact that she wasn't complaining mcar Jun 2019 #129

Harris complained that Biden's words were "hurtful", did she not? RHMerriman Jun 2019 #130

Yes, she did mcar Jun 2019 #136

So, Harris complained about Biden's words and played to emotion... RHMerriman Jun 2019 #138

You keep saying that ".. Biden is getting by Cha Jun 2019 #50

Before he was Obama's VP, he had a fraction of the visibility he has now. pnwmom Jun 2019 #53

By all means keep trying to smear Biden Cha Jun 2019 #54

+1000. n/t pnwmom Jun 2019 #47

Sometimes you make great points, sometimes you mischaracterize True Dough Jun 2019 #72

The t-shirt thing is very Trumpian redstateblues Jun 2019 #95

They could not get away with it. NT emmaverybo Jun 2019 #114

True that... RHMerriman Jun 2019 #121

Oh, Gawd. Not in his character, but...whoah. NT emmaverybo Jun 2019 #124

Yeah; he's a gay war veteran ... RHMerriman Jun 2019 #126

This particular theme just never gets old ... (nt) mr_lebowski Jun 2019 #14

LOL. Yawn. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #137

People are always complaining about Democrats' spines. betsuni Jun 2019 #15

I've seen her called too weak and angry and confrontational EffieBlack Jun 2019 #18

My comments on Bernie: "over-aggressive, wound too tight, abrasive personality, devoid of emmaverybo Jun 2019 #28

We have a perfect right to disagree. True Blue American Jun 2019 #41

Thank you. NT emmaverybo Jun 2019 #45

Women aren't allowed to do normal politics. betsuni Jun 2019 #61

You mean like EffieBlack Jun 2019 #64

Yes. betsuni Jun 2019 #65

Yes, that is true! It is also something prez Obama knew and played it out very well Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #103

Bernie, yes absolutely. redgreenandblue Jun 2019 #25

What about you? EffieBlack Jun 2019 #26

Me? I'm certainly not angry at Harris for challenging Biden. redgreenandblue Jun 2019 #27

I really really like Harris. I respect her right to say what she did and the way she said it Tom Rinaldo Jun 2019 #67

+1, no question at all about this. JudyM Jun 2019 #111

If Biden had responded by bringing up Harris' truancy program while she was San Francisco DA, sop Jun 2019 #29

That is what I feel she was trying to do. I felt she made a calculated move, though I am sure emmaverybo Jun 2019 #32

I wish Biden had Raine Jun 2019 #57

If a perfect world... Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #104

I do too. I think the heavy emotional approach and very personal confrontation must have taken emmaverybo Jun 2019 #109

Of course they would. StocktonNative Jun 2019 #31

Resounding YES. democratisphere Jun 2019 #33

they'd be more angry KayF Jun 2019 #34

Yes. Because the premise was false. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 2019 #35

Thank You, BlueTsunami. Cha Jun 2019 #37

Agree! True Blue American Jun 2019 #43

Ah yes indeed!! Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #105

lol this is funny RandiFan1290 Jun 2019 #36

Angry? Mike Nelson Jun 2019 #51

Not sure about Beto TheFarseer Jun 2019 #52

Yes of course Raine Jun 2019 #56

Im happy at her MFM008 Jun 2019 #58

If I felt their line of attack was bullshit then yes of course I would. So you're saying Harris is UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #62

She had a right to go after him. This is a primary and she did nothing wrong. BeckyDem Jun 2019 #63

I disagree...and I haven't seen Harris defend her record yet...but I suppose we will fairly soon. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #90

If anyone has the temerity to question it. She was a controversial DA and AG. I always felt emmaverybo Jun 2019 #113

Sen. Harris's line was a cheap shot nt LibFarmer Jun 2019 #66

Her attacks on Biden will not help her!! Booker already tried ...same racial issues Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #106

Harris didn't "go after' Biden Alpeduez21 Jun 2019 #68

I am not angry. I just did not appreciate it. IluvPitties Jun 2019 #69

If Bernie so much as breathes on a Dem people get angry at him. Autumn Jun 2019 #70

If they have been honest...... quickesst Jun 2019 #71

What was the lie? EffieBlack Jun 2019 #77

I don't think.... quickesst Jun 2019 #98

Thank you!! Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #107

you're welcome quickesst Jun 2019 #119

I'm not seeing that much anger directed at her. SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #73

Oh, probably. Some think that Joe Biden shouldn't be in the race MineralMan Jun 2019 #74

This is why I still believe Biden will be the nominee... Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #92

Trump won on I will give everyone a bigly most beautiful health plan. NT emmaverybo Jun 2019 #115

Booker also demanded a personal apology on TV. ucrdem Jun 2019 #75

Short answer, yes. But I'm not angry and Hortensis Jun 2019 #76

No one seemed angry when Castro challenged O'Rourke on Wednesday mcar Jun 2019 #79

Beto was mildly critical of Biden's positions on some things on an interview Indygram Jun 2019 #85

Yes I would. I find her attacks on Biden both unfair and damaging to our chances to win a general. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #87

+1 emmaverybo Jun 2019 #116

Beto wouldn't challenge someone like that, and hell yes I would be angry at Sanders. W_HAMILTON Jun 2019 #91

Bernie? You can't be serious BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #102

+ infinity mtnsnake Jun 2019 #110

I can't believe I had to scroll this far down to see this response. Ace Rothstein Jun 2019 #117

I'm not angry with her. I just think she overplayed her hand by immediately selling T-shirt's. Quackers Jun 2019 #108

I'm buying the shirts for my daughters. And to make white people salty. nt LexVegas Jun 2019 #112

Yes. It was the way she delivered her point and I wouldn't accept that from anyone. Claritie Pixie Jun 2019 #125

Yes n/t Devil Child Jun 2019 #127

You mean if they had used the same words and attacked him about the same thing? Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #128

Thing is, a lot of black women were uncomfortable with the exchange as well. ecstatic Jun 2019 #131

I wasn't angry with her. People have the right to ask about his record. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #132