Democratic Primaries

LovingA2andMI

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87. Ummm...

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 10:35 AM

Jun 2019

"In response, Biden called Harris’s comments a “mischaracterization of my position across the board,” and disputed her account. “I did not praise racists, that is not true,” he said. “In terms of busing, you would have been able to go to school the same exact way because it was a local decision made by your city council.” (State's Rights #1 -- but Biden was completely off the mark with this statement as nearly NO City Council makes decisions for Public Schools. That would be the ELECTED SCHOOL BOARD.)

Harris then directly asked Biden: “Do you agree today that you were wrong to oppose busing in America?”

He answered: I did not oppose busing in America. I opposed busing by the Department of Education. (i.e. State's Rights #2 and this one is blatant)

Harris replied: “But that is where the federal government must step in.”

https://time.com/5615960/2020-democratic-debate-night-2/

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I think the anger over the Harris- Biden exchange is not because she asked the question [View all] EffieBlack Jun 2019 OP

Fair comment. eom True Dough Jun 2019 #1

It changed my preference in the DU poll SCantiGOP Jun 2019 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author brandnewday2009 Jun 2019 #55

I'm supporting Warren now because I'm an economist and really like PatrickforO Jun 2019 #121

Good comments. BlueWI Jun 2019 #261

Lost confidence in Biden awhile ago... last night only confirmed what so many already knew. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #128

Here's the truth DownriverDem Jun 2019 #97

I'm lost as to how that relates to the OP. Also, Obama was barely known early on too. TheBlackAdder Jun 2019 #122

Sorry to disagree Butterflylady Jun 2019 #145

How Trump won? ArcticFox Jun 2019 #232

Amen! BlueWI Jun 2019 #272

Great post Ferrets are Cool Jun 2019 #274

Unfortunately that's a big part of it, at least until/unless we can abolish the Electoral College. calimary Jun 2019 #202

If I had a dollar for every time I said the person I want to support is the one who is most likely Eliot Rosewater Jun 2019 #205

remember how Hillary was the only one who coudl beat trump? DonCoquixote Jun 2019 #209

Yes, we misunderstood these places in 2016, and we still misunderstand them. marylandblue Jun 2019 #214

oddly, I don't remember the HRC was the only one... TrunKated Jun 2019 #223

Even if Biden wins, he can't singlehandedly run the government. BlueWI Jun 2019 #262

Horrible strategy. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #265

Here is my question in regard to busing: olegramps Jun 2019 #113

I was bused iamateacher Jun 2019 #135

I think she implied that her experience was also positive EffieBlack Jun 2019 #141

If that is the case then just why did she bring it up? That puzzles me. olegramps Jun 2019 #222

She could only talk about his position on busing if her experience with busing was negative? EffieBlack Jun 2019 #224

Her point was that busing was good for integration--and by implication, for her--but that tblue37 Jun 2019 #167

Thanks for clarifying iamateacher Jun 2019 #186

Busing DallasNE Jun 2019 #157

No. That's not even close to how it worked. EffieBlack Jun 2019 #168

When you have time jberryhill Jun 2019 #276

So, the purpose of Harris' question was to help Biden? 3Hotdogs Jun 2019 #229

What is the race card anyway? BlueWI Jun 2019 #271

Biden should have expected someone on that stage mcar Jun 2019 #2

And yet Atlanta Mayor Keisha Bottoms endorsed Cha Jun 2019 #5

And that's fine. Good for him mcar Jun 2019 #6

This why we have multiple debates Zambero Jun 2019 #79

That's right mcar Jun 2019 #83

I consider it to be a non-embarrassing embarrassment of riches! Zambero Jun 2019 #95

Biden is formidable and has a lot of friends in the Party comradebillyboy Jun 2019 #11

Yippie!! Joe for POTUS & Kamala for VP :) onetexan Jun 2019 #18

Pretty Cool Endorsement the morning Cha Jun 2019 #53

u got it Cha onetexan Jun 2019 #88

Yes, that endorsement throws cold water on the bonfire. peggysue2 Jun 2019 #132

More from Mayor Bottoms to douse the flames.. Cha Jun 2019 #136

Excellent! peggysue2 Jun 2019 #139

All black people don't think alike EffieBlack Jun 2019 #148

Did I say that? That all AA's are the same. peggysue2 Jun 2019 #161

Yes, you did - if you think the endorsement of one black elected official EffieBlack Jun 2019 #165

Suggesting Am I? peggysue2 Jun 2019 #177

A black mayor's endorsement is great. But it doesn't "douse" the opinions of any EffieBlack Jun 2019 #193

That's not what I said and you know it peggysue2 Jun 2019 #194

Agreed tulipsandroses Jun 2019 #278

Yeah, the lapping flames that are Cha Jun 2019 #153

Would be a great matchup Zambero Jun 2019 #143

touche'!! onetexan Jun 2019 #47

I'm with Atlanta's Mayor, Keisha Bottoms! Cha Jun 2019 #56

Woo Hoo!!! That's a big one! blue-wave Jun 2019 #125

Aloha, blue-wave! More on Biden from Mayor Bottoms.. Cha Jun 2019 #131

I love manufactured outrage nvme Jun 2019 #140

You seem to have misunderstood what she said mcar Jun 2019 #196

"still damaged by the experience of riding a bus"... stillcool Jun 2019 #248

It's definitely disappointing, I agree srobertss Jun 2019 #284

I'm not seeing all of this anger. NT SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #3

I thought he answered if effectively. ucrdem Jun 2019 #4

No, he didn't, and his body language said a lot Perseus Jun 2019 #8

I dunno about body language but I was watching on a laptop ucrdem Jun 2019 #15

exactly. Joe answered well and handled the situation well. If he came out swinging at her the media onetexan Jun 2019 #21

Right, he tossed off a quip to Cory over his shoulder as he was getting in his car ucrdem Jun 2019 #27

He wasn't about to disrespect her and didn't. FloridaBlues Jun 2019 #106

When Buttigieg was confronted with the police issue he is facing in his city Perseus Jun 2019 #26

Buttigieg did well. ucrdem Jun 2019 #40

I only watched some replays here and there. I just cannot watch 2 hours of that pangaia Jun 2019 #68

Don't forget that Harris gave him the opportunity to say what his positions is now Perseus Jun 2019 #137

That's what I'd like to know. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #267

No, he didn't. Goodheart Jun 2019 #13

lied about what? ucrdem Jun 2019 #16

He lied when he said he opposed busing. Goodheart Jun 2019 #28

That's what he said last night: he didn't oppose busing, just federally mandated busing. ucrdem Jun 2019 #32

But, yes, he DID oppose busing altogether. Goodheart Jun 2019 #37

Hard to make blanket statements about the totality of what Biden said. ucrdem Jun 2019 #52

Thank you..there's so much Cha Jun 2019 #50

CNN fact-checked the exchange Celerity Jun 2019 #61

WaPo: "he said he would support busing in cases where ucrdem Jun 2019 #65

re-read please Celerity Jun 2019 #70

Nevertheless he did not unequivocally oppose busing. nt ucrdem Jun 2019 #72

not true Celerity Jun 2019 #124

That legislation only addresses forced busing tied to federal education funds. ucrdem Jun 2019 #155

Louisville is still bussing, I already posted an in depth article on it Celerity Jun 2019 #172

Biden's legislation addressed federal funding. It didn't preclude busing. nt ucrdem Jun 2019 #174

you must not be reading Celerity Jun 2019 #180

"federal funds." You bolded it. nt ucrdem Jun 2019 #181

yes, no federal funds to assign teachers or students to schools Celerity Jun 2019 #182

That is what Biden said he opposed last night. ucrdem Jun 2019 #187

"none of those federal funds could be used by school systems to assign teachers or students" by race hedda_foil Jun 2019 #239

Do you have anything to back that up? whopis01 Jun 2019 #291

i was wondering when this would surface... sacto95834 Jun 2019 #73

Thank you for this informative post. pangaia Jun 2019 #78

He was strongly opposed to busing then EffieBlack Jun 2019 #42

Very BAD Biden quote from 1970's womanofthehills Jun 2019 #231

"Lied" about what?! Cha Jun 2019 #20

He didn't tell the truth when he said he wasn't opposed to busting EffieBlack Jun 2019 #46

But not in all cases. ucrdem Jun 2019 #66

Oh, please EffieBlack Jun 2019 #85

What do you think would have been a better answer? ucrdem Jun 2019 #93

He could have talked about why he took the position he did then and whether and why he evolved since EffieBlack Jun 2019 #100

Those are good. ucrdem Jun 2019 #103

It doesn't even need to be a long answer EffieBlack Jun 2019 #107

You know, Effie, I bet that is pretty much what he believes mcar Jun 2019 #197

I think so, too. I just can't understand why he's having so much trouble saying it EffieBlack Jun 2019 #217

I agree mcar Jun 2019 #218

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2019 #211

How about simply admitting he was wrong then? Perseus Jun 2019 #152

According to the Supreme Court he wasn't wrong. nt ucrdem Jun 2019 #158

According to the Supreme Court of the 1970s he was dead wrong EffieBlack Jun 2019 #163

I don't think reviving 1970s-era busing is a winning issue. nt ucrdem Jun 2019 #164

a state's right defence (given in 2019) by a Democrat is an effective answer??? Celerity Jun 2019 #19

That's a better position than where we are now: ucrdem Jun 2019 #23

Busing destroyed neighborhood Schools True Blue American Jun 2019 #25

And gave rise to charter schools. ucrdem Jun 2019 #29

Yes True Blue American Jun 2019 #76

The City That Believed in Desegregation. Integration isn't easy, but Louisville, Kentucky, has Celerity Jun 2019 #43

Thanks for posting that NT tishaLA Jun 2019 #279

It's NEVER a Defense..... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #54

Then and now Zambero Jun 2019 #101

Then he should talk about it that way EffieBlack Jun 2019 #111

Agree Zambero Jun 2019 #138

TV pundits were all over it this am, in the breakfast clubs/new shows. appalachiablue Jun 2019 #38

No, he did not! LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #49

No, not states rights. He did not say that. nt ucrdem Jun 2019 #69

Ummm... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #87

In other words, he didn't say it. YOU said it. ucrdem Jun 2019 #91

He Said It.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #108

He clearly didn't say it. He said "local decision." nt ucrdem Jun 2019 #115

Ummm..... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #149

Still no mention of states rights. nt ucrdem Jun 2019 #169

This the Best you can do huh??? LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #175

Thank you ucrdem Jun 2019 #176

Well justie18 Jun 2019 #96

Biden simply was unprepared to answer an obvious question. comradebillyboy Jun 2019 #7

He was unprepared because he has no answer for that question Perseus Jun 2019 #14

Well, just like "States Rights".... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #51

Yeah, he really just tried to wallpaper his past. But one's past is always there in pretty plain KPN Jun 2019 #59

Busing, he was awful. But, honestly, the NRA is primarily funded by gun manufacturers Hoyt Jun 2019 #60

The NRA may be funded by gun manufacturers which make the NRA a tool. mercenaries Perseus Jun 2019 #166

If there were no gun manufacturers/profiteers, there would not be today's NRA. Hoyt Jun 2019 #171

No he didn't, his words were "The NRA is not the problem, it is the gun manufacturer's" Perseus Jun 2019 #188

Sorry, the NRA is essentially the lobbying arm of gun manufacturers/profiteers. Hoyt Jun 2019 #189

Exactly, so why did he defend the NRA? Perseus Jun 2019 #191

+1000 gldstwmn Jun 2019 #268

Meh Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #63

He knew it was coming, it was 50 years ago. Different times call for different actions Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #62

I'll buy that. He better up his game because 45 will be coming at him Kind of Blue Jun 2019 #9

45 wants him, he is the easiest target Democrats have, so much baggage Perseus Jun 2019 #22

Watching de Blasio apologize to Wolf on CNN for the Che Guevara appalachiablue Jun 2019 #45

If you think Biden will not stand up to trump you haven't been reading what he's saying Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #64

Biden was much too surprised and defensive in his response to Harris marylandblue Jun 2019 #215

"he knows Biden likes to be liked and be decent..." Kind of Blue Jun 2019 #120

This is a video showing Biden with "Mitch" Perseus Jun 2019 #203

Trump could chew him up. LiberalLovinLug Jun 2019 #173

"I want a confident aggressive leader who can't be stalled instantly Kind of Blue Jun 2019 #208

Thank you LiberalLovinLug Jun 2019 #242

The main problem I saw Bayard Jun 2019 #10

That's what I saw. Along with his pledge not to go after R B Garr Jun 2019 #17

Oh please...this had nothing to do about not going after another democrat Perseus Jun 2019 #24

Yes, it did. He was everyone's target and it showed. No one R B Garr Jun 2019 #33

We're you there?!!! It was a different time Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #67

Harris gave him a chance to answer on is views now Perseus Jun 2019 #190

... Kind of Blue Jun 2019 #133

How utterly ridiculous to make busing an issue some 40 years R B Garr Jun 2019 #247

Her anger and crying? mcar Jun 2019 #198

She choked back tears and said she was hurt. R B Garr Jun 2019 #251

She did get choked up. No tears mcar Jun 2019 #253

She came across as angry, sorry. Wasn't it supposed to be an R B Garr Jun 2019 #255

He was falling straight into the rabbit hole.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #58

It's not an intellectual failing on his part. I think she got to his soul. MaryMagdaline Jun 2019 #12

Like it or not, he responded with two important things: historical context and his overall record ancianita Jun 2019 #31

Yes it seemed to me he was ready for the question. ucrdem Jun 2019 #35

My opinion - Biden marieo1 Jun 2019 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author brandnewday2009 Jun 2019 #48

Like it or not... this will NOT help her position! She was way over the top with emotion Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #71

i've been saying that all along. Her misplaced indignance showed her being flippant and lacking in onetexan Jun 2019 #94

No.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #110

Joe Biden still gets choked up when he talks about the deaths of his wife and baby girl mcar Jun 2019 #200

This message was self-deleted by its author brandnewday2009 Jun 2019 #257

+1 K&R onetexan Jun 2019 #89

Spot on, he could have turned it into a winning moment for himself BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author brandnewday2009 Jun 2019 #39

What reports...please rerference!! Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #75

I saw Biden take that shot through the heart. Camaromjr Jun 2019 #41

The issue of busing kids was more complicated than it appears on the surface. colorado_ufo Jun 2019 #44

You'd think we were a week away from the election! WinstonSmith4740 Jun 2019 #57

Yes, people are fired up I get it!! But tears and an emotional outburst...this will not help her Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #77

what tears?.. stillcool Jun 2019 #99

Right? mcar Jun 2019 #201

Same. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #269

There was not one tear that came from Kamala's Eyes... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #114

Are you referring to Biden or Harris? EffieBlack Jun 2019 #118

Biden was 100% correct when he said, "My time is up." GumboYaYa Jun 2019 #74

Snark! Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #80

I'm glad he shut himself up. ucrdem Jun 2019 #82

Black women are also aggressive and angry a lot obamanut2012 Jun 2019 #81

Challenging Biden like that is a necessary part of the process patphil Jun 2019 #84

I remember a time EffieBlack Jun 2019 #92

Why are you reviving that nasty false meme? HRC thought no such thing, nor does Biden as far emulatorloo Jun 2019 #144

Please reread my post and note the "supposedly" EffieBlack Jun 2019 #150

I read your post. If Kamala Harris was attacked in a similar way, Senator Harris supporters would emulatorloo Jun 2019 #170

Biden equals Trump win. mudstump Jun 2019 #86

No.. you're Wrong. Cha Jun 2019 #116

I think it was a fatal blow to Biden. Still In Wisconsin Jun 2019 #90

Haha.. No.. No "fatal blows" for Biden.. Cha Jun 2019 #119

Yeah, you wish peggysue2 Jun 2019 #134

Yes DU has already predicted many many 'fatal blows' for Biden. emulatorloo Jun 2019 #147

Amen to that... if you don't think so, do some of your own personal polling Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #235

He answered it effectively. I researched it afterwards. He was correct. She has misrepresented it. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #98

The fact that his response is the lead story from the debate is proof he didn't answer effectively EffieBlack Jun 2019 #102

Media is driven by 2 things: 1- a shallow horse race narrative and 2-tearing Democrats down emulatorloo Jun 2019 #154

How do you define "effective" in the context of a debate? EffieBlack Jun 2019 #156

She didn't misrepresent his position. Another poster found articles pnwmom Jun 2019 #241

It's difficult to anticipate questions that are sung your way. FloridaBlues Jun 2019 #104

A major presidential candidate whose record on civil rights in general and busing in particular EffieBlack Jun 2019 #117

Every Candidate Should Be Prepared to Answer Hard Questions Every Time dlk Jun 2019 #105

My heart-felt honest response: George II Jun 2019 #109

People in my family found it effective and credited the experience delisen Jun 2019 #142

It was a fair question, but definitely planned-and I think it may backfire with this. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #112

It's Her Truth.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #162

It is HER TRUTH-but I'm not sure that fund-raising off of being a victim is the best look. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #185

Actually, Yes She Can.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #213

Sure she can-but is it a good idea? 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #243

Ask Her.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #244

It's a CAMPAIGN EffieBlack Jun 2019 #226

I have been a Biden supporter ValidateThis Jun 2019 #123

fair points Celerity Jun 2019 #126

Thank you eom ValidateThis Jun 2019 #130

Rather than add anything your post says it all for me. gordianot Jun 2019 #160

Thank you eom ValidateThis Jun 2019 #225

She owned his ass. People need to get the fuck over it. LexVegas Jun 2019 #127

K&R bluewater Jun 2019 #129

Who the hell is angry? Tipperary Jun 2019 #146

You apparently haven't been reading the board ... EffieBlack Jun 2019 #151

Some reports have his campaign worker saying he was not willing to take debate prep tblue37 Jun 2019 #159

Biden is coasting Boomer Jun 2019 #230

"Times have changed, fortunately, and I have learned a lot." dawg day Jun 2019 #178

YES! A simple recognition that he's changed and doesn't have the same beliefs pnwmom Jun 2019 #240

let's go Joe ! stonecutter357 Jun 2019 #179

If.... Newland56 Jun 2019 #183

Hear, hear! FiveGoodMen Jul 2019 #295

The longer someone has held political office, the more opportunity there is to find fault Martin Eden Jun 2019 #184

Then he should explain his evolution EffieBlack Jun 2019 #195

Or Newland56 Jun 2019 #199

His anti-busing stance IS part of his voting record EffieBlack Jun 2019 #206

I agree Newland56 Jun 2019 #210

I'm sure all of that will be done to Harris in the coming months EffieBlack Jun 2019 #219

I agree again Newland56 Jun 2019 #233

I don't think her bump was from tearing anyone down EffieBlack Jun 2019 #234

It's more than that. They dont want to feel uncomfortable.. especially on matters of race tymorial Jun 2019 #192

Agreed Eliot Rosewater Jun 2019 #204

Recommended. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #207

I'm not sure we know yet if it was fatal or not ecstatic Jun 2019 #212

All Joe had to do was say this: Grasswire2 Jun 2019 #216

That would have been a bad answer. I'm glad he didn't say that EffieBlack Jun 2019 #227

can you tell me why? So I can understand? nt Grasswire2 Jun 2019 #250

It's the "I have a black friend " answer tishaLA Jun 2019 #283

Yes !! Indeed Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #236

Hillary basically gave that answer when she was bashed for her Iraq war vote. SunSeeker Jun 2019 #282

not really the same thing because that was about fitness for the job and foreign policy JI7 Jun 2019 #286

Indeed. Some are already criticizing him for doing that. SunSeeker Jun 2019 #287

Kamal Harris SKILLFULL bigbadR Jun 2019 #220

Pass the touch gldstwmn Jun 2019 #270

Consider this: Mr.Bill Jun 2019 #221

Running against the racist Trump we need a candidate with no past history to apologize over Liberty Belle Jun 2019 #228

So Mary Williamson (Or Yang) it is? ecstatic Jun 2019 #254

Her campaign had a picture ready for Twitter and a T-shirt ready to sell. nsd Jun 2019 #237

a picture? Her campaign had.. stillcool Jun 2019 #246

Oh, yeah, you're totally right ... nsd Jun 2019 #252

spontaeous? stillcool Jun 2019 #256

k&r DesertRat Jun 2019 #238

I'm not angry, but I really winced at the hurt on his face.He was NOT prepared & he should have been Hekate Jun 2019 #245

Mahalo, Hekate.. you are just the best.. Cha Jun 2019 #260

Aw, thanks Hekate Jun 2019 #264

You are.. Cha Jun 2019 #266

I'm disappointed in Harris really. I mean I understand it's politics and I'll always like her UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #249

Both Harris and Biden are doing well. cwydro Jun 2019 #258

This moment brought both Biden and Harris down for me. n/t mia Jun 2019 #259

This is only the tip of the iceberg. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #263

Let's say you are correct. Wouldn't that mean it was ultimately a bad choice defacto7 Jun 2019 #273

I think it's because she's abrasive. JohnnyRingo Jun 2019 #275

Abrasive? EffieBlack Jun 2019 #280

Yes, another "abrasive," woman tishaLA Jun 2019 #285

Yes, abrasive. JohnnyRingo Jun 2019 #294

Oh God, not this again. SunSeeker Jun 2019 #288

Warren supporter really appreciating Harris fallrey Jun 2019 #277

K & R SunSeeker Jun 2019 #281

But what is the point? videohead5 Jun 2019 #289

You think those are the only two choices? StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #293

It was a setup Lytex59 Jun 2019 #290

Very much so FiveGoodMen Jul 2019 #296

The thing that troubles me most about this is Biden's lack of preparedness to answer it. Texin Jun 2019 #292