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In reply to the discussion: As DA Kamala Harris's Office Stopped Cooperating With Victims of Catholic Church Child Abuse [View all]mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)134. Links don't work in the subject line ... here, let me help ...
http://www.sfweekly.com/news/zipped-up/
Maybe it's not QUITE so simple as the Intercept plays it ... The story is from 2005 ...
Maybe it's not QUITE so simple as the Intercept plays it ... The story is from 2005 ...
But Ingels was lucky. At his arraignment, his lawyers announced that he would postpone entering a plea. A month later, the U.S. Supreme Court by a 5-to-4 vote struck down as unconstitutional a California law that had extended the statute of limitations for prosecuting suspected sex abusers. The law enacted during a national furor over sex abuse in the church had allowed prosecutors to bring abuse cases against many clerics years after the alleged crimes had occurred. The Supreme Court decision Stogner vs. California said the retroactive lengthening of statutes of limitation from a few years to, in some cases, decades violated the Constitution's ex post facto clause, which prohibits the enactment of laws that criminalize behavior after the fact.
Along with many others, Ingels walked.
The Stogner decision stopped criminal investigations across California in their tracks. By ending any possibility of public trials in those cases, it also kept information on decades of alleged misconduct by Roman Catholic clerics from entering the public realm. Consequently, the decision kept secret the record of the church hierarchy's response or lack of response to reports of priestly misconduct.
In the eyes of victims' advocates and other critics, Archbishop Levada's handling of such cases has been notable for its lack of openness. Even after the Stogner decision ended the prosecution of Ingels, the archbishop continued to push for secrecy in sex abuse matters. And district attorneys of the three counties within the archdiocese's territory San Francisco's Kamala Harris, San Mateo's James Fox, and Marin's newly appointed Ed Berberian have taken what some other prosecutors view as extraordinarily questionable steps to help Levada keep records of clerical wrongdoing in Northern California from public eyes.
Along with many others, Ingels walked.
The Stogner decision stopped criminal investigations across California in their tracks. By ending any possibility of public trials in those cases, it also kept information on decades of alleged misconduct by Roman Catholic clerics from entering the public realm. Consequently, the decision kept secret the record of the church hierarchy's response or lack of response to reports of priestly misconduct.
In the eyes of victims' advocates and other critics, Archbishop Levada's handling of such cases has been notable for its lack of openness. Even after the Stogner decision ended the prosecution of Ingels, the archbishop continued to push for secrecy in sex abuse matters. And district attorneys of the three counties within the archdiocese's territory San Francisco's Kamala Harris, San Mateo's James Fox, and Marin's newly appointed Ed Berberian have taken what some other prosecutors view as extraordinarily questionable steps to help Levada keep records of clerical wrongdoing in Northern California from public eyes.
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As DA Kamala Harris's Office Stopped Cooperating With Victims of Catholic Church Child Abuse [View all]
Galraedia
Jun 2019
OP
If you allow your judgment on any topic to be informed by The Intercept, you are probably making
RockRaven
Jun 2019
#11
Media Bias Fact Check has it listed as left-leaning with a Factual Reporting of HIGH
Galraedia
Jun 2019
#59
Media bias fact checking websites were created to counter fake news sites like the Onion.
Galraedia
Jun 2019
#83
That someone would rely on a site that fact checks the Onion says it all. nt
Blue_true
Jun 2019
#202
and I know you're new here, but you might just need to relax and JUST LISTEN OK???
a kennedy
Jun 2019
#12
Me too...if what is being reported is true ...she changed the policy...and the really interesting
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#62
The Intercept is Glenn Greenwald's publication. Can you please find a more reliable source than this
pnwmom
Jun 2019
#2
Oh please...nothing to do with Biden...maybe Sen Harris should just admit her
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#153
In Florida, the conviction becomes public record. An attorney suing would not
Blue_true
Jun 2019
#80
People filing civil lawsuits wanted to use the government's criminal investigative/prosecutorial
RockRaven
Jun 2019
#9
It is an issue of public safety. You have church records of child abusers and you sit on them????
58Sunliner
Jun 2019
#29
Are you kidding...she refused to turn over files on pedophile priests? Wow...and not 50 years ago
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#41
For a civil suit. Like poster above, no one has demonstrated she refused prosecution of a solid case
Hoyt
Jun 2019
#55
No it doesn't. If you were investigated, but not charged, would you want those records released
Hoyt
Jun 2019
#103
Yeah records of the church covering for abusing priests should just stay hidden
58Sunliner
Jun 2019
#129
There could be no prosecutions...as SCOTUS had ruled in 2003...Civil courts were the only way to
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#94
Then the onus is on the civil litigants to develop the evidence needed for trial. If Trump/Barr,
RockRaven
Jun 2019
#140
Wrong . She was the DA and eventuallythe AG...it was on her to help those seeking justice from
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#154
I am against busing as are most people...pedophile priest though are despised by all.
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#43
That ship saild 40 years ago...and no Democrat will be elected by running on busing...it is a dead
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#73
Not my opinion. Opposition to local racism is not dead, for me at least. You don't get
Hoyt
Jun 2019
#78
You are kidding yourself...not court will force busing to intergrate in the 21st century and any
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#98
Jeeez. Biden appears to have violated the most important belief in the Democratic Party,
Hoyt
Jun 2019
#110
Then the OP should post the AP article and not the Intercept or the Daily Wire. n/t
pnwmom
Jun 2019
#40
I hope the OP will be edited to at least include a link to the AP story, or mention of my reply with
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
#47
Just a tip.. If you are going to cite WAPO, you need to link to the actual article
hlthe2b
Jun 2019
#184
Weak...former prosecutors had not done this...live by the sword...well you know the rest.
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#46
Maybe after you stop laughing about the Intercept you can read the AP story about this, which
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
#39
Do I have personal knowledge of this? No. I highlighted the sections where attorneys representing
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
#45
This is a separate issue. Aside from the victim privacy issue, there is still a general policy
pnwmom
Jun 2019
#60
Names could be redacted...former DA's had no problems getting the needed information out...and
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#192
Defense Attornies in a civil trial can depose anyone that is a material witness against their
Blue_true
Jun 2019
#200
She was the DA...and if what I read was true she protected pedophiles from justice. I seriously hope
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#77
Either you read something untrue or misinterpreted it. The statute of limitations
pnwmom
Jun 2019
#97
She claimed she couldn't turn over records that could be used to seek the only justice available to
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#100
Wow just wow...well one wonders what her motivation was to not help those seeking justice
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#104
The entire thing stinks to high heaven...poor victims...they were those little boys and little
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#193
We are talking about pedophile priests being protected and why I wonder...for what purpose?
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#57
That is not true...priest got away with this for years and not all of them faced prosecution
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#79
It is true. This is why James Comey was so heavily criticized --- because he share info
pnwmom
Jun 2019
#87
Please see that AP article. Attorneys who are experts on these matters, including a court-appointed
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
#71
Justice was often not available in the criminal courts for the victims of sexual abuse by priests..
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#86
The Diocese is very selective in what records they release...you don't really believe this do you?
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#89
I would have the attorneys who are doing the civil lawsuits go to the Diocese for the records.
pnwmom
Jun 2019
#99
It wasn't happening when Harris was in office ...not as the DA or the Attorney General.
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#116
They could have been redacted...the DA she ran against managed to help victims and promote justice..
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#195
It is not...her record also can be examined...and I have to say...I find this appalling never mind
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#199
Not much shocks me...but this does...and not a good explanation from her campaign either.
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#92
I can't help wondering how many victims of abuse there could tell stories of the additional
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
#96
I wonder too...this inexcusable ...and I don't say that as a Biden supported but as a Mom.
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#109
Oh, yes. And in that case, they would not be misrepresenting themselves. Gawd. NT
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#117
It is unbelievable...can it really be true...would someone really help protect these monsters?
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#125
She must not have thought of her withholding as doing that. On the other hand, city politics.
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#128
I will be boring and say shocking again. Taking away the only avenue for justice
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#157
I fear Sen.Harris may not get a bump in the polls...or if she does, it will be of a short duration..
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#49
Yeah well...it may be a short lived bump. And the trouble is that this is a serious thing ...not a
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#82
Were priests who were pedophiles left in place ? Seems like a danger to the public.
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#65
We are not on the same side often (but I enjoy your posts) but in this I agree. And I suppose
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#84
Agree...there would be no defense here of Sen Sanders or VP Biden here under similar
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#158
First time I'm hearing of this... do wonder if there's not more to this story.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jun 2019
#187
I never heard it either...yeah I think there is more...I know there is other issues with witholding
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#197
What do you think about the AP, the post...paper in San Fran...being reported their and did you read
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#93
I don't like the intercept either and would always look for another source ...thanks for
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#112
As I pointed out in reply 32, the AP is also reporting this. As you could have discovered for
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
#102
Sorry if my post seemed snarky. I was reacting to so many people reacting only to the Intercept as
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
#120
If she refused to hand over records needed to obtain the only justice available to the
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#114
Well, I suppose you could try telling the Associated Press that their quoting attorneys representing
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
#132
I don't believe that Kamala Harris was a heartless and ruthless District Attorney but the fact that
Skya Rhen
Jun 2019
#152
I won't post it but if you look there are other issues with Sen. Harris ...glad it will come out now
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#166
It's a political hit job. Name any other prosecutor -- BY NAME -- who has done this.
pnwmom
Jun 2019
#146
Did you read the story. Former DA's didnt do this. It was a new policy under her.
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#164
oh boy...she started this fight by dragging out Biden's past. It's come back to bite her in the butt
onetexan
Jun 2019
#167
and look at this...old article but shocking...did she think this would not come out at least in a
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#170
Controversial? You call not telling defendents that a forensic expert who handled their cases was
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#180
If you're using those "progressive punch" type ratings, you'll notice that those with...
George II
Jun 2019
#186
The abuse of children in the Catholic Church is horrific but I cannot believe DA Harris..
honest.abe
Jun 2019
#171
There were no such deals...and only after she was gone and someone else was in charge was this
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#173
Her campaign said it was to protect victims...not convincing...Same argument she used when she
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#181
Strange. She has said at some point she is against DP. She took DP off the table in prosecuting
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#201
It is on the fucking washington post site, next time do a search before....
USALiberal
Jun 2019
#183