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RockRaven

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140. Then the onus is on the civil litigants to develop the evidence needed for trial. If Trump/Barr,

Sun Jun 30, 2019, 01:57 AM

Jun 2019

or prior to that Trump/Sessions, were using the resources of the state to develop evidence -- or had already been in possession of evidence -- which could not be used in criminal proceedings for some reason, and yet they turned it over to parties of a tort who they favored for use in that party's case, everyone on DU wold be screaming bloody murder about the unprofessionalism of the AG, the blatant corruption, the misuse of state power, etc.

Try to step back from the particulars of this one case and apply the proposed behavior as a universal rule, and applied by Repukes in the manner which would most likely make them cream their pants, time after time, case after case... then ask yourself if you really want to undermine this rule/principle/standard because of the particular case in front of you.

To me this looks like a reasonable restraint of a tempting-to-misuse state power, which the particulars of the case make for tawdry propagandistic click-bait.

I'm willing to change my mind on this, but I need more than an appeal to the consequences. Make an argument which would not be scary as f**k if Trumpists were the ones in the same seat of power, using the same power/authority/judgment call to serve whatever *their* priorities were.

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As DA Kamala Harris's Office Stopped Cooperating With Victims of Catholic Church Child Abuse [View all] Galraedia Jun 2019 OP

Shame on her. That's disgusting. Princetonian Jun 2019 #1

take a look at the source. if Biden maintains his lead JI7 Jun 2019 #10

If you allow your judgment on any topic to be informed by The Intercept, you are probably making RockRaven Jun 2019 #11

The Intercept is a left leaning website Galraedia Jun 2019 #28

I'm not talking about right-left. Did you believe I was? RockRaven Jun 2019 #42

....nt Blue_true Jun 2019 #53

Media Bias Fact Check has it listed as left-leaning with a Factual Reporting of HIGH Galraedia Jun 2019 #59

Mediabiasfactcheck? Blue_true Jun 2019 #66

Media bias fact checking websites were created to counter fake news sites like the Onion. Galraedia Jun 2019 #83

The Onion isn't fake news: satire can't be fact checked. betsuni Jun 2019 #95

Anything can be fact checked. Satire just plays off of people's stupidity. Galraedia Jun 2019 #105

As far as I'm concerned, fact checking satire would be: it's a joke. betsuni Jun 2019 #119

That someone would rely on a site that fact checks the Onion says it all. nt Blue_true Jun 2019 #202

Is the Associated Press, as well? RHMerriman Jun 2019 #111

Associated Press. This story is not going away. oasis Jun 2019 #205

Nope ... RHMerriman Jun 2019 #206

and I know you're new here, but you might just need to relax and JUST LISTEN OK??? a kennedy Jun 2019 #12

Under what statute would a prosecutor be allowed to release records pertaining pnwmom Jun 2019 #17

The one that Comey used? redstateblues Jun 2019 #64

Exactly. And he's been severely criticized for that. Do you think his action pnwmom Jun 2019 #67

Including those that contain the names of gldstwmn Jun 2019 #144

Don't take what you read in the Intercept as gospel. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #27

Me too...if what is being reported is true ...she changed the policy...and the really interesting Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #62

Because there was a Supreme Court case right around that time ... mr_lebowski Jun 2019 #138

If this is true, it is disquslifying. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #155

alrighty then Skittles Jun 2019 #127

The Intercept is Glenn Greenwald's publication. Can you please find a more reliable source than this pnwmom Jun 2019 #2

The Trump dirty tricks team is going nuts over Senator Harris. DURHAM D Jun 2019 #5

I doubt it. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #51

Yup, with an assist from the Biden folks. MontanaFarmer Jun 2019 #121

Oh please...nothing to do with Biden...maybe Sen Harris should just admit her Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #153

HAHAHA INTERCEPT JI7 Jun 2019 #3

http://www.sfweekly.com/news/zipped-up/ 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #23

Links don't work in the subject line ... here, let me help ... mr_lebowski Jun 2019 #134

This message was self-deleted by its author femmedem Jun 2019 #168

The Intercept is Bernie's proxy. RandySF Jun 2019 #4

It's Russia's proxy. And Ed Snowden's proxy. n/t pnwmom Jun 2019 #7

The AP is also reporting this. See reply 32. highplainsdem Jun 2019 #85

what's haha Goodman up to these days ? JI7 Jun 2019 #6

Does law enforcement, typically "assist in CIVIL cases?" Hoyt Jun 2019 #8

If someone is convicted, the conviction becomes open records, Blue_true Jun 2019 #63

Thank you. So she couldn't refuse to open records for someone convicted? Hoyt Jun 2019 #75

In Florida, the conviction becomes public record. An attorney suing would not Blue_true Jun 2019 #80

How can they pursue justice when the documents are being hidden? 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #130

I care about the abuse victims, maybe more than you for all you know. Hoyt Jun 2019 #190

People filing civil lawsuits wanted to use the government's criminal investigative/prosecutorial RockRaven Jun 2019 #9

No, they wanted access to files that were obtained by the previous DA. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #21

Again, it is not the DA's job to provide evidence to one party in a tort... RockRaven Jun 2019 #25

It is an issue of public safety. You have church records of child abusers and you sit on them???? 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #29

Are you kidding...she refused to turn over files on pedophile priests? Wow...and not 50 years ago Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #41

For a civil suit. Like poster above, no one has demonstrated she refused prosecution of a solid case Hoyt Jun 2019 #55

This looks really bad. And previous DA's had provided information. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #68

No it doesn't. If you were investigated, but not charged, would you want those records released Hoyt Jun 2019 #103

Yeah records of the church covering for abusing priests should just stay hidden 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #129

There could be no prosecutions...as SCOTUS had ruled in 2003...Civil courts were the only way to Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #94

Then the onus is on the civil litigants to develop the evidence needed for trial. If Trump/Barr, RockRaven Jun 2019 #140

Wrong . She was the DA and eventuallythe AG...it was on her to help those seeking justice from Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #154

Wouldn't they also expose the names of potential victims? gldstwmn Jun 2019 #145

Good point. Hoyt Jun 2019 #191

And here is a tweet form Lee Fang about Joe Biden. RandySF Jun 2019 #13

I am against busing as are most people...pedophile priest though are despised by all. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #43

I'm not against busing if the locale refuses to place schools to draw minorities, Hoyt Jun 2019 #61

That ship saild 40 years ago...and no Democrat will be elected by running on busing...it is a dead Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #73

Not my opinion. Opposition to local racism is not dead, for me at least. You don't get Hoyt Jun 2019 #78

You are kidding yourself...not court will force busing to intergrate in the 21st century and any Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #98

Jeeez. Biden appears to have violated the most important belief in the Democratic Party, Hoyt Jun 2019 #110

Post removed Post removed Jun 2019 #14

The Daily Wire is a rightwing source. pnwmom Jun 2019 #18

the Wash post isn't.. articles are pretty much the same Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #30

You didn't post an article, just the main page of the Post. nt pnwmom Jun 2019 #34

See reply 32. It's also being reported by the AP. highplainsdem Jun 2019 #33

Then the OP should post the AP article and not the Intercept or the Daily Wire. n/t pnwmom Jun 2019 #40

I hope the OP will be edited to at least include a link to the AP story, or mention of my reply with highplainsdem Jun 2019 #47

Yes -- it has been now. Thanks again for finding a legit source. n/t pnwmom Jun 2019 #50

You're welcome. But it took only seconds when I googled highplainsdem Jun 2019 #56

The AP story reports that Harris is being accused by someone or group, lapucelle Jun 2019 #203

I have added the liink to the article from the AP as well. Galraedia Jun 2019 #54

Thanks! highplainsdem Jun 2019 #58

dailywire is a conservitive rag 4now Jun 2019 #44

Just a tip.. If you are going to cite WAPO, you need to link to the actual article hlthe2b Jun 2019 #184

Several different sources for this story. Sf Weekly below. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #15

Under what statute can a prosecutor release records from an investigation pnwmom Jun 2019 #19

OMG 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #24

What other prosecutor do you know that has done that in a similar situation, pnwmom Jun 2019 #35

Weak...former prosecutors had not done this...live by the sword...well you know the rest. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #46

The AG's office does not get involved in private suits. RandySF Jun 2019 #16

She was the DA. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #26

DA's don't get involed, either. RandySF Jun 2019 #69

The DA has to choose not to. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #131

Oh gawd.. not the Intercept for anything on Dems! Cha Jun 2019 #20

Two things: 1. learn about civil suits obamanut2012 Jun 2019 #22

http://www.sfweekly.com/news/zipped-up/ 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #31

Maybe after you stop laughing about the Intercept you can read the AP story about this, which highplainsdem Jun 2019 #39

This is also being reported by the AP: highplainsdem Jun 2019 #32

Thank you for a better source. Do you know of other prosecutors pnwmom Jun 2019 #38

Do I have personal knowledge of this? No. I highlighted the sections where attorneys representing highplainsdem Jun 2019 #45

Remember how James Comey was rightly criticized for releasing information about pnwmom Jun 2019 #48

From the article in the AP Galraedia Jun 2019 #52

This is a separate issue. Aside from the victim privacy issue, there is still a general policy pnwmom Jun 2019 #60

Also, if her team redacted victims names and gave that to civil Attornies, Blue_true Jun 2019 #76

Opening the city/state to further litigation... gldstwmn Jun 2019 #149

I don't. And I doubt others will Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #156

But you're okay with the names of potential victims gldstwmn Jun 2019 #188

Names could be redacted...former DA's had no problems getting the needed information out...and Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #192

As someone else said they would be revealed when they were to be deposed. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #194

Defense Attornies in a civil trial can depose anyone that is a material witness against their Blue_true Jun 2019 #200

She was the DA...and if what I read was true she protected pedophiles from justice. I seriously hope Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #77

Either you read something untrue or misinterpreted it. The statute of limitations pnwmom Jun 2019 #97

She claimed she couldn't turn over records that could be used to seek the only justice available to Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #100

A jury found one of the priests GUILTY. Galraedia Jun 2019 #91

Wow just wow...well one wonders what her motivation was to not help those seeking justice Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #104

The San Francisco Archdiocese had a lot of power back then. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #136

The entire thing stinks to high heaven...poor victims...they were those little boys and little Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #193

Yes, in a civil case, meaning a preponderance of the evidence proved the case. pnwmom Jun 2019 #150

We are talking about pedophile priests being protected and why I wonder...for what purpose? Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #57

She was protecting the justice system, not pedophile priests. For one thing, pnwmom Jun 2019 #70

That is not true...priest got away with this for years and not all of them faced prosecution Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #79

It is true. This is why James Comey was so heavily criticized --- because he share info pnwmom Jun 2019 #87

Not the same thing at all... Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #106

Please see that AP article. Attorneys who are experts on these matters, including a court-appointed highplainsdem Jun 2019 #71

I think if any prosecutor did that they were wrong. pnwmom Jun 2019 #74

Justice was often not available in the criminal courts for the victims of sexual abuse by priests.. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #86

Yes, and civil courts should the Diocese for the records. For example pnwmom Jun 2019 #88

The Diocese is very selective in what records they release...you don't really believe this do you? Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #89

I would have the attorneys who are doing the civil lawsuits go to the Diocese for the records. pnwmom Jun 2019 #99

Right...and the Diocese would just hand over the records...and all. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #108

It's happening now all over the country. Yes, it should have happened sooner. pnwmom Jun 2019 #113

It wasn't happening when Harris was in office ...not as the DA or the Attorney General. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #116

I would add this article that I found... Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #123

Not to mention it would reveal the names gldstwmn Jun 2019 #148

They could have been redacted...the DA she ran against managed to help victims and promote justice.. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #195

This is a scummy hit job. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #196

It is not...her record also can be examined...and I have to say...I find this appalling never mind Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #199

Not much shocks me...but this does...and not a good explanation from her campaign either. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #92

I can't help wondering how many victims of abuse there could tell stories of the additional highplainsdem Jun 2019 #96

I wonder too...this inexcusable ...and I don't say that as a Biden supported but as a Mom. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #109

Oh, yes. And in that case, they would not be misrepresenting themselves. Gawd. NT emmaverybo Jun 2019 #117

It is unbelievable...can it really be true...would someone really help protect these monsters? Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #125

She must not have thought of her withholding as doing that. On the other hand, city politics. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #128

I will be boring and say shocking again. Taking away the only avenue for justice Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #157

I don't like the source for this story - I wouldn't trust anything they say 4now Jun 2019 #36

Also being reported by the AP. See reply 32. highplainsdem Jun 2019 #37

Upthread AP, same story. Also, SF weekly. Nt emmaverybo Jun 2019 #118

AP is a much better source 4now Jun 2019 #133

I fear Sen.Harris may not get a bump in the polls...or if she does, it will be of a short duration.. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #49

She already got a bump, watoos Jun 2019 #72

Yeah well...it may be a short lived bump. And the trouble is that this is a serious thing ...not a Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #82

Bennet? Sorry, he is a Johnny come lately who is going nowhere redstateblues Jun 2019 #179

Were priests who were pedophiles left in place ? Seems like a danger to the public. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #65

This is disqualifying. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2019 #81

We are not on the same side often (but I enjoy your posts) but in this I agree. And I suppose Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #84

Just may be... shocking if true!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #142

Agree...there would be no defense here of Sen Sanders or VP Biden here under similar Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #158

First time I'm hearing of this... do wonder if there's not more to this story. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #187

I never heard it either...yeah I think there is more...I know there is other issues with witholding Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #197

People, tell me what you REALLY think of The Intercept. bluewater Jun 2019 #90

What do you think about the AP, the post...paper in San Fran...being reported their and did you read Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #93

"tell me what you really think about..." is an old meme bluewater Jun 2019 #107

I don't like the intercept either and would always look for another source ...thanks for Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #112

As I pointed out in reply 32, the AP is also reporting this. As you could have discovered for highplainsdem Jun 2019 #102

"if you'd bothered to" bluewater Jun 2019 #115

Sorry if my post seemed snarky. I was reacting to so many people reacting only to the Intercept as highplainsdem Jun 2019 #120

No problem bluewater Jun 2019 #124

Am I to understand from this thread ismnotwasm Jun 2019 #101

If she refused to hand over records needed to obtain the only justice available to the Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #114

Here is the explanation. What she did is standard procedure. pnwmom Jun 2019 #147

Previous DA'S DID NOT DO THIS. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #159

Apparently that's where we are tishaLA Jun 2019 #122

http://www.sfweekly.com/news/zipped-up/ Read on. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #139

None of that substantiates the idea tishaLA Jun 2019 #141

That's what it looks like to me. betsuni Jun 2019 #126

Well, I suppose you could try telling the Associated Press that their quoting attorneys representing highplainsdem Jun 2019 #132

If they are saying that Harris is protecting pedophiles then it is. betsuni Jun 2019 #135

What else can you think if she refused to help victims obtain justice Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #160

Stop. betsuni Jun 2019 #178

No, I read reputable stories about her time as prosecutor... Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #182

This is disgusting ismnotwasm Jun 2019 #189

I don't believe that Kamala Harris was a heartless and ruthless District Attorney but the fact that Skya Rhen Jun 2019 #152

It seems kind of heartless to me. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #161

I won't post it but if you look there are other issues with Sen. Harris ...glad it will come out now Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #166

So what? blue cat Jun 2019 #137

She won't be the nominee in my opinion. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #162

Extremely self centered and self promoting. democratisphere Jun 2019 #143

It's a political hit job. Name any other prosecutor -- BY NAME -- who has done this. pnwmom Jun 2019 #146

Did you read the story. Former DA's didnt do this. It was a new policy under her. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #164

Very true. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #163

oh boy...she started this fight by dragging out Biden's past. It's come back to bite her in the butt onetexan Jun 2019 #167

and look at this...old article but shocking...did she think this would not come out at least in a Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #170

disgusting stonecutter357 Jun 2019 #151

Also true. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #165

Another poster posted this link... Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #169

Good grief that has been circulated here about a hundred times. honest.abe Jun 2019 #172

I didn't see it...and honestly withholding vital evidence? Horrible. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #174

I was talking about the article you posted. honest.abe Jun 2019 #177

Controversial? You call not telling defendents that a forensic expert who handled their cases was Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #180

If you're using those "progressive punch" type ratings, you'll notice that those with... George II Jun 2019 #186

Intersting thanks. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #198

That's a sloppily sourced opinion piece, not an article. lapucelle Jun 2019 #204

The abuse of children in the Catholic Church is horrific but I cannot believe DA Harris.. honest.abe Jun 2019 #171

There were no such deals...and only after she was gone and someone else was in charge was this Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #173

I will wait to here her explanation. honest.abe Jun 2019 #175

Her campaign said it was to protect victims...not convincing...Same argument she used when she Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #181

Strange. She has said at some point she is against DP. She took DP off the table in prosecuting emmaverybo Jun 2019 #201

I hope it doesn't reveal a "finger-in-the-wind" pattern. Voters oasis Jun 2019 #208

lol, "The Intercept" Tarc Jun 2019 #176

It is on the fucking washington post site, next time do a search before.... USALiberal Jun 2019 #183

Yeah...it is not an intercept only story. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #185

The WaPo report of the accusation has the AP byline. lapucelle Jun 2019 #207

Sen. Harris needs to address this. IluvPitties Jul 2019 #209