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True Dough

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119. All right, let's go with that

Sun Jun 30, 2019, 08:54 AM

Jun 2019

Let's say there are "some very fine people who own guns, and who may join the NRA even if they don't fully agree with them."

As I mentioned earlier, there are approximately 5 million NRA members. So we ballpark the percentage of them who could be won over at maybe 20%. That's 1 million people.

As a candidate appealing to the NRA in an attempt to get those 1 million votes, you're going to alienate some of your Democratic base, who absolutely loathe the NRA and all it stands for (there are many who feel that way here at the DU). So, based on that issue alone, some of those people will simply jump ship to another candidate. Biden could easily drive away 1 million Dems -- possibly a lot more --by opening the door to the NRA.

It's a zero sum game, at best, I believe. It's not well thought out at all.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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What the hell is up with Biden and the NRA??? [View all] True Dough Jun 2019 OP

"The members of the NRA are not our opponents." elleng Jun 2019 #1

Thanks for translating for the folks who couldn't understand. nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #9

Everyone understands, they just think he's wrong -nt Bradical79 Jun 2019 #11

Maybe he should tweet out that the NRA members are nothing but deplorables. nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #15

They mostly are Bradical79 Jun 2019 #28

Yeah well it's really not smart for a candidate to say that. He's defending them? Is he calling UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #30

Pretty much Bradical79 Jun 2019 #32

A lot of them may be oK treestar Jun 2019 #131

My brother in law votes Democratic all the time...and he is a member of the NRA...he is going for Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #49

I think it's too small of a % for that to be a smart move Bradical79 Jul 2019 #133

Yup. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #42

I understand he wants to have it both ways. Hate the sin, love the sinner. Politicub Jun 2019 #86

Actually Ellen Andy823 Jun 2019 #18

I'm familiar with the NRA. elleng Jun 2019 #26

See reply 55 for links to news stories that support what Biden said in that tweet. highplainsdem Jun 2019 #60

Yes, thanks saw that. elleng Jun 2019 #71

NRA members vote too. 20% of NRA members are or lean Democratic. thesquanderer Jun 2019 #78

Exactly. elleng Jun 2019 #81

So never attack any belief?? Brilliant! Nt USALiberal Jun 2019 #122

Not 'belief,' PERSONs, Got it? elleng Jun 2019 #130

There are 5 million NRA members True Dough Jun 2019 #88

Might depend in part on whether they live in MI, WI, or PA (n/t) thesquanderer Jun 2019 #115

I'm sure the KKK and other white supremacist groups have members in MI, WI and PA True Dough Jun 2019 #116

Percentage of KKK members who are Dems is probably far less than 20%. ;-) thesquanderer Jun 2019 #118

All right, let's go with that True Dough Jun 2019 #119

I don't know that it was a good idea. I'm just saying there is some possible reasonable rationale. thesquanderer Jun 2019 #123

Good post. We're in agreement here True Dough Jun 2019 #124

And Pete is my second choice after Warren. ;-) thesquanderer Jun 2019 #125

The members do not decide policy. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #101

There's a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #117

WTF??? AlexSFCA Jun 2019 #2

The LaPierre NRA doesn't eat venison. Mopar151 Jun 2019 #12

This pretty much seals the deal. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #34

See reply 55 for links to news stories that support what Biden tweeted there. It's been highplainsdem Jun 2019 #62

I think you might be wasting your time.... quickesst Jun 2019 #110

he has supporters among conservative types JI7 Jun 2019 #3

who vote in dem primary? AlexSFCA Jun 2019 #5

yes JI7 Jun 2019 #7

In a little less than half the states anyway n/t FreeState Jun 2019 #13

if he can keep most or a decent number if black voters JI7 Jun 2019 #16

But not if he loses Dems who disagree n/t FreeState Jun 2019 #29

that would be the black voters I'm referring to JI7 Jun 2019 #33

People don't care about silly stuff like winning swing states. That's not really important. UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #31

That is the plan to limp through the primary undamaged by attacks from the left as much as possible Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #50

Maybe. But more importantly, who vote in the general and live in WI, MI, and PA. thesquanderer Jun 2019 #77

There are plenty of gun-owning Democrats out there secondwind Jun 2019 #4

I know many of them, none of them support NRA in any way AlexSFCA Jun 2019 #6

I know a lot of them also Andy823 Jun 2019 #19

just because you are a gun owner doesn't mean you support nra AlexSFCA Jun 2019 #24

True Andy823 Jun 2019 #35

I'm sure there are True Dough Jun 2019 #8

Kamala Harris said she has a gun. i actually think that might have turned JI7 Jun 2019 #17

gun ownership is not equal to supporting nra or being nra member AlexSFCA Jun 2019 #38

i know, but a lot of liberal leaning people are just turned off by it JI7 Jun 2019 #40

Because they are a money laundering front gldstwmn Jun 2019 #43

Turned off just because she owns a gun? marylandblue Jun 2019 #132

I think even more people turned away because she campaigns on MFA. ooky Jun 2019 #48

About 19% last I'd seen Bradical79 Jul 2019 #134

He is laying out strategy for the gun jumpers to not attack him kimbutgar Jun 2019 #10

As best I know, his statement is accurate. Blue_true Jun 2019 #14

We need more than background checks. nt Andy823 Jun 2019 #21

Unless we redefine the Second Amendment, background checks likely Blue_true Jun 2019 #100

are they ok banning assault weapons? AlexSFCA Jun 2019 #39

I don't know. But polls of that organization's members showed they Blue_true Jun 2019 #103

It is. See reply 55 for links to news stories. highplainsdem Jun 2019 #64

Joe is trying to dial back the NRA to when it was a conservation and sportsman's advocacy group. NBachers Jun 2019 #20

That was some time ago Andy823 Jun 2019 #22

You think his comments have that much power? True Dough Jun 2019 #23

He's running a 2000 campaign in 2020. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #44

No, Biden is just stating what's been reported for years by pollsters and mainstream media, as highplainsdem Jun 2019 #65

If you belong to an evil organization - and the the NRA is evil - 50 Shades Of Blue Jun 2019 #25

NRA and gun manufacturers/profiteers are synonymous. Manufacturers are main funding source. Hoyt Jun 2019 #27

You and bean cans... AncientGeezer Jun 2019 #102

I knew it was you, OldGeezer. How are the gun-humpers on Discussionist doing? Hoyt Jun 2019 #104

Locking doors so the cops can't get in..or bean cans... AncientGeezer Jun 2019 #105

Fine do. Although I'm sure you'd rather get back under the Discussionist rock. Hoyt Jun 2019 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Jun 2019 #107

This is politics - He is courting the Gun Humpers- Its Strategy tulipsandroses Jun 2019 #36

If the Democratic nominee customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #37

How about some middle ground? True Dough Jun 2019 #41

That sounds reasonable and doable customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #56

Attack full force? How about just not support gldstwmn Jun 2019 #45

The reality is customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #58

This is 20th century campaign strategy in gldstwmn Jun 2019 #93

Where in that post did I say anything about attacking gun owners? tulipsandroses Jun 2019 #47

Well, to me customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #59

Exactly.. AncientGeezer Jun 2019 #84

Yep. Working both sides of the street, he's already running against Trump. ooky Jun 2019 #51

Is Joe after the NRA vote? zackymilly Jun 2019 #46

Yes MaryMagdaline Jun 2019 #52

I hope so...some live in states we need...do you thiink Harris could win in those states...states Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #53

Which states specifically? Obama won those states. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #94

Hillary lost them...and that was pre-tea party days....very different...if Trump wins Wisconsin, Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #99

See reply 55 for links to news stories about most NRA members supporting some reforms. The majority highplainsdem Jun 2019 #66

Why give your money and time to an organization you don't agree with? gldstwmn Jun 2019 #95

There is no good answer to your question True Dough Jun 2019 #111

So much for the rejection of special interests loyalsister Jun 2019 #97

Joe hopes and expects to run in the general MaryMagdaline Jun 2019 #54

Biden's absolutely correct that the vast majority of NRA members support common-sense reforms. highplainsdem Jun 2019 #55

First link of yours I clicked True Dough Jun 2019 #61

If you'd bothered to read past the headline, you'd have read that the vast majorrity of NRA members highplainsdem Jun 2019 #63

Just last year, True Dough Jun 2019 #69

Biden differentiated NRA members, the majority of them, from the leadership. Just as those surveys highplainsdem Jun 2019 #70

Are you so forgiving of Trump supporters? True Dough Jun 2019 #72

The majority of the NRA's membership has gldstwmn Jun 2019 #96

Agreed Bayard Jun 2019 #126

He could have targeted sensible gun owners without invoking the NRA. People who self-identify Politicub Jun 2019 #90

And yet their membership dues support an organisation that fights proposed gun control laws Kaleva Jun 2019 #92

lol The members of the NRA are not our opponents ! stonecutter357 Jun 2019 #57

Yes. That statement is so absurd it is LOL worthy. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #98

Pete : "But gun manufactures fund the NRA" crazytown Jun 2019 #67

Yes! I caught that too. True Dough Jun 2019 #68

This is disqualifying. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2019 #73

It's like he's forgotten or doesn't know what the NRA is and what the NRA does. Autumn Jun 2019 #74

Hi Autumn! True Dough Jun 2019 #75

I'm not undecided. I like a few of them I just refuse to state. nt Autumn Jun 2019 #76

Are you planning to True Dough Jun 2019 #79

Just one. The one who says and does what I'm waiting for. Autumn Jun 2019 #80

Sounds like the candidates just need to spend True Dough Jun 2019 #82

Nope, It's early and I'll wait. Autumn Jun 2019 #83

Take a look at their publications. They are our opponents. The NRA is a republican-supporting group. Politicub Jun 2019 #85

Excellent post! True Dough Jun 2019 #87

Thank you. Politicub Jun 2019 #89

yes, this whole 'NRA MEMBERS' are separate from the org is pure rot Celerity Jun 2019 #91

You bring greater depth to every thread, Celerity! True Dough Jun 2019 #112

aaww, TY, you are making me blush, and I do nothing special at all Celerity Jun 2019 #113

Piss off firearm owners...that will be a winning deal for us. Never. AncientGeezer Jun 2019 #108

Gun owners are not necessarily NRA members. I don't take issue with Politicub Jun 2019 #114

Either the NRA is an undemocratic organization or the "vast majority" MarcA Jun 2019 #109

Biden had an F rating from the NRA as Senator Curky Jun 2019 #120

Congratulations to Mr. Biden! True Dough Jun 2019 #121

Judging by the OP, you would think he got an A Curky Jun 2019 #128

Yeah, rather curious isn't it? True Dough Jun 2019 #129

Right again. snowybirdie Jun 2019 #127