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Hoyt

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191. Good point.

Reply to gldstwmn (Reply #145)

Sun Jun 30, 2019, 12:14 PM

Jun 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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As DA Kamala Harris's Office Stopped Cooperating With Victims of Catholic Church Child Abuse [View all] Galraedia Jun 2019 OP

Shame on her. That's disgusting. Princetonian Jun 2019 #1

take a look at the source. if Biden maintains his lead JI7 Jun 2019 #10

If you allow your judgment on any topic to be informed by The Intercept, you are probably making RockRaven Jun 2019 #11

The Intercept is a left leaning website Galraedia Jun 2019 #28

I'm not talking about right-left. Did you believe I was? RockRaven Jun 2019 #42

....nt Blue_true Jun 2019 #53

Media Bias Fact Check has it listed as left-leaning with a Factual Reporting of HIGH Galraedia Jun 2019 #59

Mediabiasfactcheck? Blue_true Jun 2019 #66

Media bias fact checking websites were created to counter fake news sites like the Onion. Galraedia Jun 2019 #83

The Onion isn't fake news: satire can't be fact checked. betsuni Jun 2019 #95

Anything can be fact checked. Satire just plays off of people's stupidity. Galraedia Jun 2019 #105

As far as I'm concerned, fact checking satire would be: it's a joke. betsuni Jun 2019 #119

That someone would rely on a site that fact checks the Onion says it all. nt Blue_true Jun 2019 #202

Is the Associated Press, as well? RHMerriman Jun 2019 #111

Associated Press. This story is not going away. oasis Jun 2019 #205

Nope ... RHMerriman Jun 2019 #206

and I know you're new here, but you might just need to relax and JUST LISTEN OK??? a kennedy Jun 2019 #12

Under what statute would a prosecutor be allowed to release records pertaining pnwmom Jun 2019 #17

The one that Comey used? redstateblues Jun 2019 #64

Exactly. And he's been severely criticized for that. Do you think his action pnwmom Jun 2019 #67

Including those that contain the names of gldstwmn Jun 2019 #144

Don't take what you read in the Intercept as gospel. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #27

Me too...if what is being reported is true ...she changed the policy...and the really interesting Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #62

Because there was a Supreme Court case right around that time ... mr_lebowski Jun 2019 #138

If this is true, it is disquslifying. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #155

alrighty then Skittles Jun 2019 #127

The Intercept is Glenn Greenwald's publication. Can you please find a more reliable source than this pnwmom Jun 2019 #2

The Trump dirty tricks team is going nuts over Senator Harris. DURHAM D Jun 2019 #5

I doubt it. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #51

Yup, with an assist from the Biden folks. MontanaFarmer Jun 2019 #121

Oh please...nothing to do with Biden...maybe Sen Harris should just admit her Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #153

HAHAHA INTERCEPT JI7 Jun 2019 #3

http://www.sfweekly.com/news/zipped-up/ 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #23

Links don't work in the subject line ... here, let me help ... mr_lebowski Jun 2019 #134

This message was self-deleted by its author femmedem Jun 2019 #168

The Intercept is Bernie's proxy. RandySF Jun 2019 #4

It's Russia's proxy. And Ed Snowden's proxy. n/t pnwmom Jun 2019 #7

The AP is also reporting this. See reply 32. highplainsdem Jun 2019 #85

what's haha Goodman up to these days ? JI7 Jun 2019 #6

Does law enforcement, typically "assist in CIVIL cases?" Hoyt Jun 2019 #8

If someone is convicted, the conviction becomes open records, Blue_true Jun 2019 #63

Thank you. So she couldn't refuse to open records for someone convicted? Hoyt Jun 2019 #75

In Florida, the conviction becomes public record. An attorney suing would not Blue_true Jun 2019 #80

How can they pursue justice when the documents are being hidden? 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #130

I care about the abuse victims, maybe more than you for all you know. Hoyt Jun 2019 #190

People filing civil lawsuits wanted to use the government's criminal investigative/prosecutorial RockRaven Jun 2019 #9

No, they wanted access to files that were obtained by the previous DA. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #21

Again, it is not the DA's job to provide evidence to one party in a tort... RockRaven Jun 2019 #25

It is an issue of public safety. You have church records of child abusers and you sit on them???? 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #29

Are you kidding...she refused to turn over files on pedophile priests? Wow...and not 50 years ago Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #41

For a civil suit. Like poster above, no one has demonstrated she refused prosecution of a solid case Hoyt Jun 2019 #55

This looks really bad. And previous DA's had provided information. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #68

No it doesn't. If you were investigated, but not charged, would you want those records released Hoyt Jun 2019 #103

Yeah records of the church covering for abusing priests should just stay hidden 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #129

There could be no prosecutions...as SCOTUS had ruled in 2003...Civil courts were the only way to Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #94

Then the onus is on the civil litigants to develop the evidence needed for trial. If Trump/Barr, RockRaven Jun 2019 #140

Wrong . She was the DA and eventuallythe AG...it was on her to help those seeking justice from Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #154

Wouldn't they also expose the names of potential victims? gldstwmn Jun 2019 #145

Good point. Hoyt Jun 2019 #191

And here is a tweet form Lee Fang about Joe Biden. RandySF Jun 2019 #13

I am against busing as are most people...pedophile priest though are despised by all. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #43

I'm not against busing if the locale refuses to place schools to draw minorities, Hoyt Jun 2019 #61

That ship saild 40 years ago...and no Democrat will be elected by running on busing...it is a dead Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #73

Not my opinion. Opposition to local racism is not dead, for me at least. You don't get Hoyt Jun 2019 #78

You are kidding yourself...not court will force busing to intergrate in the 21st century and any Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #98

Jeeez. Biden appears to have violated the most important belief in the Democratic Party, Hoyt Jun 2019 #110

Post removed Post removed Jun 2019 #14

The Daily Wire is a rightwing source. pnwmom Jun 2019 #18

the Wash post isn't.. articles are pretty much the same Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #30

You didn't post an article, just the main page of the Post. nt pnwmom Jun 2019 #34

See reply 32. It's also being reported by the AP. highplainsdem Jun 2019 #33

Then the OP should post the AP article and not the Intercept or the Daily Wire. n/t pnwmom Jun 2019 #40

I hope the OP will be edited to at least include a link to the AP story, or mention of my reply with highplainsdem Jun 2019 #47

Yes -- it has been now. Thanks again for finding a legit source. n/t pnwmom Jun 2019 #50

You're welcome. But it took only seconds when I googled highplainsdem Jun 2019 #56

The AP story reports that Harris is being accused by someone or group, lapucelle Jun 2019 #203

I have added the liink to the article from the AP as well. Galraedia Jun 2019 #54

Thanks! highplainsdem Jun 2019 #58

dailywire is a conservitive rag 4now Jun 2019 #44

Just a tip.. If you are going to cite WAPO, you need to link to the actual article hlthe2b Jun 2019 #184

Several different sources for this story. Sf Weekly below. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #15

Under what statute can a prosecutor release records from an investigation pnwmom Jun 2019 #19

OMG 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #24

What other prosecutor do you know that has done that in a similar situation, pnwmom Jun 2019 #35

Weak...former prosecutors had not done this...live by the sword...well you know the rest. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #46

The AG's office does not get involved in private suits. RandySF Jun 2019 #16

She was the DA. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #26

DA's don't get involed, either. RandySF Jun 2019 #69

The DA has to choose not to. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #131

Oh gawd.. not the Intercept for anything on Dems! Cha Jun 2019 #20

Two things: 1. learn about civil suits obamanut2012 Jun 2019 #22

http://www.sfweekly.com/news/zipped-up/ 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #31

Maybe after you stop laughing about the Intercept you can read the AP story about this, which highplainsdem Jun 2019 #39

This is also being reported by the AP: highplainsdem Jun 2019 #32

Thank you for a better source. Do you know of other prosecutors pnwmom Jun 2019 #38

Do I have personal knowledge of this? No. I highlighted the sections where attorneys representing highplainsdem Jun 2019 #45

Remember how James Comey was rightly criticized for releasing information about pnwmom Jun 2019 #48

From the article in the AP Galraedia Jun 2019 #52

This is a separate issue. Aside from the victim privacy issue, there is still a general policy pnwmom Jun 2019 #60

Also, if her team redacted victims names and gave that to civil Attornies, Blue_true Jun 2019 #76

Opening the city/state to further litigation... gldstwmn Jun 2019 #149

I don't. And I doubt others will Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #156

But you're okay with the names of potential victims gldstwmn Jun 2019 #188

Names could be redacted...former DA's had no problems getting the needed information out...and Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #192

As someone else said they would be revealed when they were to be deposed. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #194

Defense Attornies in a civil trial can depose anyone that is a material witness against their Blue_true Jun 2019 #200

She was the DA...and if what I read was true she protected pedophiles from justice. I seriously hope Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #77

Either you read something untrue or misinterpreted it. The statute of limitations pnwmom Jun 2019 #97

She claimed she couldn't turn over records that could be used to seek the only justice available to Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #100

A jury found one of the priests GUILTY. Galraedia Jun 2019 #91

Wow just wow...well one wonders what her motivation was to not help those seeking justice Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #104

The San Francisco Archdiocese had a lot of power back then. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #136

The entire thing stinks to high heaven...poor victims...they were those little boys and little Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #193

Yes, in a civil case, meaning a preponderance of the evidence proved the case. pnwmom Jun 2019 #150

We are talking about pedophile priests being protected and why I wonder...for what purpose? Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #57

She was protecting the justice system, not pedophile priests. For one thing, pnwmom Jun 2019 #70

That is not true...priest got away with this for years and not all of them faced prosecution Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #79

It is true. This is why James Comey was so heavily criticized --- because he share info pnwmom Jun 2019 #87

Not the same thing at all... Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #106

Please see that AP article. Attorneys who are experts on these matters, including a court-appointed highplainsdem Jun 2019 #71

I think if any prosecutor did that they were wrong. pnwmom Jun 2019 #74

Justice was often not available in the criminal courts for the victims of sexual abuse by priests.. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #86

Yes, and civil courts should the Diocese for the records. For example pnwmom Jun 2019 #88

The Diocese is very selective in what records they release...you don't really believe this do you? Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #89

I would have the attorneys who are doing the civil lawsuits go to the Diocese for the records. pnwmom Jun 2019 #99

Right...and the Diocese would just hand over the records...and all. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #108

It's happening now all over the country. Yes, it should have happened sooner. pnwmom Jun 2019 #113

It wasn't happening when Harris was in office ...not as the DA or the Attorney General. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #116

I would add this article that I found... Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #123

Not to mention it would reveal the names gldstwmn Jun 2019 #148

They could have been redacted...the DA she ran against managed to help victims and promote justice.. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #195

This is a scummy hit job. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #196

It is not...her record also can be examined...and I have to say...I find this appalling never mind Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #199

Not much shocks me...but this does...and not a good explanation from her campaign either. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #92

I can't help wondering how many victims of abuse there could tell stories of the additional highplainsdem Jun 2019 #96

I wonder too...this inexcusable ...and I don't say that as a Biden supported but as a Mom. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #109

Oh, yes. And in that case, they would not be misrepresenting themselves. Gawd. NT emmaverybo Jun 2019 #117

It is unbelievable...can it really be true...would someone really help protect these monsters? Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #125

She must not have thought of her withholding as doing that. On the other hand, city politics. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #128

I will be boring and say shocking again. Taking away the only avenue for justice Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #157

I don't like the source for this story - I wouldn't trust anything they say 4now Jun 2019 #36

Also being reported by the AP. See reply 32. highplainsdem Jun 2019 #37

Upthread AP, same story. Also, SF weekly. Nt emmaverybo Jun 2019 #118

AP is a much better source 4now Jun 2019 #133

I fear Sen.Harris may not get a bump in the polls...or if she does, it will be of a short duration.. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #49

She already got a bump, watoos Jun 2019 #72

Yeah well...it may be a short lived bump. And the trouble is that this is a serious thing ...not a Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #82

Bennet? Sorry, he is a Johnny come lately who is going nowhere redstateblues Jun 2019 #179

Were priests who were pedophiles left in place ? Seems like a danger to the public. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #65

This is disqualifying. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2019 #81

We are not on the same side often (but I enjoy your posts) but in this I agree. And I suppose Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #84

Just may be... shocking if true!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #142

Agree...there would be no defense here of Sen Sanders or VP Biden here under similar Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #158

First time I'm hearing of this... do wonder if there's not more to this story. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #187

I never heard it either...yeah I think there is more...I know there is other issues with witholding Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #197

People, tell me what you REALLY think of The Intercept. bluewater Jun 2019 #90

What do you think about the AP, the post...paper in San Fran...being reported their and did you read Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #93

"tell me what you really think about..." is an old meme bluewater Jun 2019 #107

I don't like the intercept either and would always look for another source ...thanks for Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #112

As I pointed out in reply 32, the AP is also reporting this. As you could have discovered for highplainsdem Jun 2019 #102

"if you'd bothered to" bluewater Jun 2019 #115

Sorry if my post seemed snarky. I was reacting to so many people reacting only to the Intercept as highplainsdem Jun 2019 #120

No problem bluewater Jun 2019 #124

Am I to understand from this thread ismnotwasm Jun 2019 #101

If she refused to hand over records needed to obtain the only justice available to the Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #114

Here is the explanation. What she did is standard procedure. pnwmom Jun 2019 #147

Previous DA'S DID NOT DO THIS. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #159

Apparently that's where we are tishaLA Jun 2019 #122

http://www.sfweekly.com/news/zipped-up/ Read on. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #139

None of that substantiates the idea tishaLA Jun 2019 #141

That's what it looks like to me. betsuni Jun 2019 #126

Well, I suppose you could try telling the Associated Press that their quoting attorneys representing highplainsdem Jun 2019 #132

If they are saying that Harris is protecting pedophiles then it is. betsuni Jun 2019 #135

What else can you think if she refused to help victims obtain justice Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #160

Stop. betsuni Jun 2019 #178

No, I read reputable stories about her time as prosecutor... Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #182

This is disgusting ismnotwasm Jun 2019 #189

I don't believe that Kamala Harris was a heartless and ruthless District Attorney but the fact that Skya Rhen Jun 2019 #152

It seems kind of heartless to me. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #161

I won't post it but if you look there are other issues with Sen. Harris ...glad it will come out now Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #166

So what? blue cat Jun 2019 #137

She won't be the nominee in my opinion. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #162

Extremely self centered and self promoting. democratisphere Jun 2019 #143

It's a political hit job. Name any other prosecutor -- BY NAME -- who has done this. pnwmom Jun 2019 #146

Did you read the story. Former DA's didnt do this. It was a new policy under her. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #164

Very true. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #163

oh boy...she started this fight by dragging out Biden's past. It's come back to bite her in the butt onetexan Jun 2019 #167

and look at this...old article but shocking...did she think this would not come out at least in a Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #170

disgusting stonecutter357 Jun 2019 #151

Also true. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #165

Another poster posted this link... Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #169

Good grief that has been circulated here about a hundred times. honest.abe Jun 2019 #172

I didn't see it...and honestly withholding vital evidence? Horrible. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #174

I was talking about the article you posted. honest.abe Jun 2019 #177

Controversial? You call not telling defendents that a forensic expert who handled their cases was Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #180

If you're using those "progressive punch" type ratings, you'll notice that those with... George II Jun 2019 #186

Intersting thanks. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #198

That's a sloppily sourced opinion piece, not an article. lapucelle Jun 2019 #204

The abuse of children in the Catholic Church is horrific but I cannot believe DA Harris.. honest.abe Jun 2019 #171

There were no such deals...and only after she was gone and someone else was in charge was this Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #173

I will wait to here her explanation. honest.abe Jun 2019 #175

Her campaign said it was to protect victims...not convincing...Same argument she used when she Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #181

Strange. She has said at some point she is against DP. She took DP off the table in prosecuting emmaverybo Jun 2019 #201

I hope it doesn't reveal a "finger-in-the-wind" pattern. Voters oasis Jun 2019 #208

lol, "The Intercept" Tarc Jun 2019 #176

It is on the fucking washington post site, next time do a search before.... USALiberal Jun 2019 #183

Yeah...it is not an intercept only story. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #185

The WaPo report of the accusation has the AP byline. lapucelle Jun 2019 #207

Sen. Harris needs to address this. IluvPitties Jul 2019 #209