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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 12:54 PM Jun 2019

Here's the thing about opposing "forced busing" [View all]

"Forced busing" - the pejorative and intentionally inflammatory term for court-ordered desegregation - was actually not the issue during the busing controversies in the 1970s - it was just a convenient and obviously very effective strawman.

Calling court-ordered desegregation "forced busing" is like referring to court-ordered recognition of gay marriage as "forced cake baking."

Millions of schoolchildren were bused every day for decades, often to schools miles away from their homes (even when other schools were closer). The bus was simply the mode of transportation used to take children to school.

The real issue was school reassignments ordered by courts after local school districts refused to comply with the constitutional requirements to stop segregating their schools based on race.

Many districts did this voluntarily. Because they did so on their own, there were no lawsuits, no court litigation and no need for judges to order them to do anything. They just did it.

But many districts refused to desegregate, rebuffed black parents' entreaties to provide equal educational opportunities for their children, dug in their heels, retrenched and said 'hell no." So the black parents had to go to court and sue for their children's civil rights.

The result of many of those suits was the courts ordering the school districts to develop plans to reassign students in order to overcome the long pattern of educational and housing segregation and discrimination that kept black children trapped in segregated, inferior schools.

The school districts and many white parents were furious about this. But most of them weren't upset about the buses since there was no requirement that their kids ever get on a bus to get to school. They were upset about desegregation. Many were also angry that their children might have to attend a previously all-black school they seemed inferior - a clear, if tacit, acknowledgement that black children were being being subjected to conditions that were viewed as unacceptable for white children.

But here's the thing. "Forced busing" i.e., court ordered school desegregation was ONLY "forced" because school officials, with the full support of many white parents, openly defied the law. If they had complied with the law and stopped discriminating against black children, there would have been no need for the courts to step in and "force" them to do anything.

So this distinction between "voluntary" desegregation and so-called "forced" busing is pure bull, nothing but subterfuge and obfuscation of the real issue that was at play.

What we're really talking about is the difference between local government officials obeying the law and local officials breaking the law in order to continue denying constitutional rights to their black citizens. A court order to follow the law isn't "forced" anything and a court isn't out of line or overstepping or "interfering in local matters" when it requires local government officials to obey the law. It's what they're SUPPOSED to do.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Jun 2019 #1
+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000!!!!!!!!!!! Hoyt Jun 2019 #2
It's been a disappointing and revealing week here at DU jberryhill Jun 2019 #10
No kidding. BlueWI Jul 2019 #47
Is Senator Harris planning to run on reinstating "forced busing?" emulatorloo Jun 2019 #3
That's a silly question not relevant to the issue and not worth answering StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #4
I'm trying to understand her position on busing in 2019. So it is relevant to the issue. emulatorloo Jun 2019 #7
Here's her position as I heard it StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #13
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I appreciate it. emulatorloo Jun 2019 #14
No problem StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #21
great post Celerity Jun 2019 #34
How's this? wyldwolf Jun 2019 #26
African Americans didn't support forced busing either crimycarny Jun 2019 #40
One of the reasons support for busing dropped among black parents StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #44
Fascinating. You have stats on that? wyldwolf Jul 2019 #56
Here in Denver forced busing was a big part of white flight to the 'burbs Jake Stern Jul 2019 #55
Sure sounds like it... RHMerriman Jul 2019 #52
Great post...we have come a long way..and a long way to go...in Boston currently... asiliveandbreathe Jun 2019 #5
Thanks for the facts and rational analysis. delisen Jun 2019 #6
Thank you jberryhill Jun 2019 #8
What reference point do you have to say that? wasupaloopa Jun 2019 #15
Hah! jberryhill Jun 2019 #17
This was not about Biden. The OP states that the wasupaloopa Jun 2019 #20
Wtf are you talking about? jberryhill Jun 2019 #22
Thanks for the post! BlueWI Jul 2019 #48
There was no "forced busing" StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #23
Semantics. I was bused. cwydro Jul 2019 #57
Born and still live in Delaware Delarage Jun 2019 #27
What does that have to do with the districts before then? jberryhill Jun 2019 #31
OK Delarage Jun 2019 #33
Okay so... jberryhill Jun 2019 #35
OMG Delarage Jun 2019 #39
They tried also to fix racially segregated neighborhoods, but than can't be done overnight StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #41
Still not done Delarage Jun 2019 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author wasupaloopa Jun 2019 #9
You are correct. TomSlick Jun 2019 #11
That was precisely the situation in Delaware jberryhill Jun 2019 #19
Tell that to an 8 year old me. And my parents. GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #50
But remember - busing didn't do this. It was just the transportation StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #53
How old were you and where were you during this time wasupaloopa Jun 2019 #12
Are personal attacks all you have? jberryhill Jun 2019 #18
I was born in 1957 - the year of Brown v. Board - and lived in a small town in Arkansas. TomSlick Jun 2019 #45
Good piece, but I have to correct the statement: "But most of them weren't upset about the buses hlthe2b Jun 2019 #16
I didn't say "all" - I said "most" StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #24
I'm glad you recognize that hlthe2b Jun 2019 #25
Exactly loyalsister Jun 2019 #28
Busing and desegregation are not the same thing. ucrdem Jun 2019 #29
They aren't synonymous. But they too often are used inteechangeably StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #30
If you're going to talk about a policy, get the terms straight. ucrdem Jun 2019 #32
Yes he did, because that's what the court ordered in Delaware jberryhill Jun 2019 #36
Busing is *a* remedy, and a highly imperfect one. ucrdem Jun 2019 #37
It was the one ordered by the court in Delaware jberryhill Jun 2019 #38
Let's also not forget the role that federal transportation policy had on all of this StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #42
Correct again jberryhill Jun 2019 #43
Well said. BlueWI Jul 2019 #49
Thank you re: "forced cake-baking" dawg day Jul 2019 #51
Thank you StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #54
Question Delarage Jul 2019 #58
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