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melman

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22. When this acceptable?

Mon Jul 1, 2019, 07:05 PM

Jul 2019

"Biden then set a scene. It's 15 years earlier and a group of businesswomen and men are at a restaurant for lunch. "And a waiter with a distinct lisp came up and asked for their order and someone said, 'Well let me tell you what I'd like,'" Biden said, feminizing his voice and pretending to be a restaurant patron picking on the waiter. "Everyone around that table, although they thought it was awful, wouldn't say anything." Because, as Biden put it, this was "appropriate behavior" – the consensus would have been that it's OK to make fun of someone who is gay. (Side note: Biden had a speech impediment as a kid.)"
https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2014/07/16/joe-biden-suggests-his-obama-administration-legacy-is-same-sex-marriage

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Biden was correct: Homophobia was more prevelant five years ago [View all] wyldwolf Jul 2019 OP

There has been a backlash.. as there always is.. Peacetrain Jul 2019 #1

He wasn't correct when he suggested this had been true in Seattle 5 years ago. pnwmom Jul 2019 #2

Everywhere wyldwolf Jul 2019 #3

Seattle is one of the most gay positive cities in the US. I don't know anyone who wouldn't pnwmom Jul 2019 #5

that's beside the point wyldwolf Jul 2019 #7

This is the context. He was talking about a business meeting in Seattle. pnwmom Jul 2019 #8

I've read the context and several accounts wyldwolf Jul 2019 #10

Most business meetings on any given day in Seattle aren't conventions. And most people attending pnwmom Jul 2019 #14

But, again, there isn't a shred of evidence to back your claims wyldwolf Jul 2019 #20

Biden didn't have a shred of evidence to back his story. So we're even. pnwmom Jul 2019 #32

My op quotes studies that confirm the rapid acceptance of gay rights. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #35

Seattle is the most liberal part of the state. For example, only 8% of Seattle's votes went to Trump pnwmom Jul 2019 #37

do elections and voting on referendums, for example, ride on Seattle? wyldwolf Jul 2019 #39

We have a division between the eastern and western part of the state. Until Gov. Inslee we were pnwmom Jul 2019 #44

Washington State has a decidely mixed voting and polling record on gay rights and Seattle has... wyldwolf Jul 2019 #47

So? Every report of his comment said he was in Seattle talking about a business meeting in the city. pnwmom Jul 2019 #51

Not the link you gave wyldwolf Jul 2019 #53

You left out the CNN piece's second paragraph where the reporter quoted from the pooled report. pnwmom Jul 2019 #55

So I did. One paragraph says "washington state" and the next says "Seattle," wyldwolf Jul 2019 #58

The issue wasn't whether gay crimes ever occur. pnwmom Jul 2019 #60

... five years ago... wyldwolf Jul 2019 #62

That's NOT obvious. Seattle voted for marriage equality by very high margins in 2012. pnwmom Jul 2019 #64

I only see numbers on Washington State. You have them broken down by city? wyldwolf Jul 2019 #66

I told you -- King County approved it by 67%. Seattle is less than half of the county, pnwmom Jul 2019 #67

which means 33% - a third of King county voters - disapproved? wyldwolf Jul 2019 #68

It means if they go to Seattle and mock a gay waiter, they can expect a Seattle person to speak out. pnwmom Jul 2019 #69

You're certain that with a margin of those percentages, someone at a business meeting or... wyldwolf Jul 2019 #70

Biden seems certain that would be true NOW. I'm certain that it would have been just as true pnwmom Jul 2019 #71

yet 33%... wyldwolf Jul 2019 #72

Of the COUNTY. I keep telling you, Seattle is much more liberal than the overall county. pnwmom Jul 2019 #73

You are correct about Seattle. betsuni Jul 2019 #30

I don't think anyone would dispute this...in fact Chitown Kev Jul 2019 #4

Now the issue was he'd told the story before? wyldwolf Jul 2019 #6

Not necessarily my issue... Chitown Kev Jul 2019 #9

I've seen the same speeches given by politicians numerous times wyldwolf Jul 2019 #12

But that's John Lewis's story to tell... Chitown Kev Jul 2019 #43

The issue is that he could have made his point clearer and less disputable marylandblue Jul 2019 #23

He was only pointing out social attitudes have changed as to what is less acceptable or more emmaverybo Jul 2019 #48

In 2014, his story was that it was common to hear such jokes in 1999 More_Cowbell Jul 2019 #11

He was correct then, too. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #16

Yes, exactly. He really should stop telling stories at all. marylandblue Jul 2019 #26

Joe Biden had a pivotal role in the fight for marriage equality, LuvNewcastle Jul 2019 #13

Whatever you call it, he can't afford to do it at the Presidential level. marylandblue Jul 2019 #28

Oh, I agree. He's not the best candidate, not by a long shot. LuvNewcastle Jul 2019 #38

Oh puleeze. Trump's people will defeat him on the basis of his allusions being out of date? NT emmaverybo Jul 2019 #50

They will beat him on the basis of making the campaign one long distraction about nothing. marylandblue Jul 2019 #56

Fair enough. NT emmaverybo Jul 2019 #63

... shanny Jul 2019 #15

Well, a poster at DailyKos quoting someone using "whitey" has spoken. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #17

lame shanny Jul 2019 #19

yeah, you quoting someone using the term "whitey" was lame wyldwolf Jul 2019 #21

(shrug) shanny Jul 2019 #25

Maybe. Maybe not. But using an anonymous opinion to bolster yours? Lame. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #29

So. "anonymous" is your problem? What's your name, wyld? shanny Jul 2019 #31

Anonymous isn't my problem. The fact you'd think a dailykos diarist has any more credibility... wyldwolf Jul 2019 #45

lol dude. "Kos" is not some random anonymous diarist shanny Jul 2019 #49

Maybe he thought it was well written opinion on it's merits? marylandblue Jul 2019 #41

Whitey? tonedevil Jul 2019 #27

Do cite the "whitey" quote please. Inquiring minds. shanny Jul 2019 #34

Harris has already lost 5 of the 8 pts she gained post debate Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #18

in the same poll? or some other poll? shanny Jul 2019 #24

When this acceptable? melman Jul 2019 #22

Never ever. bluewater Jul 2019 #33

A "lisp?" Using that stereotype saddens me about Joe. cwydro Jul 2019 #57

For those who think that homophobia is a long-past issue, tell that to the 49 victims of the Skya Rhen Jul 2019 #36

The never biden people won't stop. FloridaBlues Jul 2019 #40

but a homophobic hate crime could NEEEVER happen in Seattle. Could it? wyldwolf Jul 2019 #42

It is almost impossible for something to matter less than this. Loki Liesmith Jul 2019 #46

THIS. emmaverybo Jul 2019 #52

What matters is knowing not to step in mine fields. Guess some have it and some don't. brush Jul 2019 #61

Plenty of gay hate right this very day, never mind 5 years ago. nt UniteFightBack Jul 2019 #54

Black and LGBT people are more than twice as likely as any other group to be targets of hate crimes Skya Rhen Jul 2019 #59

Exactly wyldwolf Jul 2019 #65