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wyldwolf

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42. but a homophobic hate crime could NEEEVER happen in Seattle. Could it?

Mon Jul 1, 2019, 07:35 PM

Jul 2019

It was barely 10 minutes into 2014 when smoke began to float towards the ceiling in Neighbors, a Seattle LGBT nightclub where around 750 people partied to welcome the new year. Empty glasses of champagne began to pile in trash cans around the dance floor.

As the stairwell fire started, alcohol-infused club goers continued partying as the music played on. It was at that point that Steve Tracy, the club’s general manager for over 20 years, smelled the smoke.

As the club was evacuated by Tracy and his staff, the party-goers still didn’t realize what went on. They were pushed into an alley near the intersection of Pike and Broadway in the traditionally LGBT neighborhood of Capitol Hill. Thankfully, no one was hurt.

Musab Masmari, the man who had jumped a fence to enter the club with a gasoline canister to start the fire, now faces 10 years in prison.

This type of incident would become emblematic of a climate change already in progress within the LGBT neighborhood. Since 1 January 2014, there have been more than 200 reported bias incidents in Seattle, including a double homicide involving two gay men and a second fire-attempt at the nightclub – all disproportionately targeting LGBT people. The latest report for the first half of 2015 showed a 56% increase compared with 2014, according to the Seattle police department.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/23/capitol-hill-seattle-gay-neighborhood-lgbt-hate-crimes-tech-sector

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Biden was correct: Homophobia was more prevelant five years ago [View all] wyldwolf Jul 2019 OP

There has been a backlash.. as there always is.. Peacetrain Jul 2019 #1

He wasn't correct when he suggested this had been true in Seattle 5 years ago. pnwmom Jul 2019 #2

Everywhere wyldwolf Jul 2019 #3

Seattle is one of the most gay positive cities in the US. I don't know anyone who wouldn't pnwmom Jul 2019 #5

that's beside the point wyldwolf Jul 2019 #7

This is the context. He was talking about a business meeting in Seattle. pnwmom Jul 2019 #8

I've read the context and several accounts wyldwolf Jul 2019 #10

Most business meetings on any given day in Seattle aren't conventions. And most people attending pnwmom Jul 2019 #14

But, again, there isn't a shred of evidence to back your claims wyldwolf Jul 2019 #20

Biden didn't have a shred of evidence to back his story. So we're even. pnwmom Jul 2019 #32

My op quotes studies that confirm the rapid acceptance of gay rights. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #35

Seattle is the most liberal part of the state. For example, only 8% of Seattle's votes went to Trump pnwmom Jul 2019 #37

do elections and voting on referendums, for example, ride on Seattle? wyldwolf Jul 2019 #39

We have a division between the eastern and western part of the state. Until Gov. Inslee we were pnwmom Jul 2019 #44

Washington State has a decidely mixed voting and polling record on gay rights and Seattle has... wyldwolf Jul 2019 #47

So? Every report of his comment said he was in Seattle talking about a business meeting in the city. pnwmom Jul 2019 #51

Not the link you gave wyldwolf Jul 2019 #53

You left out the CNN piece's second paragraph where the reporter quoted from the pooled report. pnwmom Jul 2019 #55

So I did. One paragraph says "washington state" and the next says "Seattle," wyldwolf Jul 2019 #58

The issue wasn't whether gay crimes ever occur. pnwmom Jul 2019 #60

... five years ago... wyldwolf Jul 2019 #62

That's NOT obvious. Seattle voted for marriage equality by very high margins in 2012. pnwmom Jul 2019 #64

I only see numbers on Washington State. You have them broken down by city? wyldwolf Jul 2019 #66

I told you -- King County approved it by 67%. Seattle is less than half of the county, pnwmom Jul 2019 #67

which means 33% - a third of King county voters - disapproved? wyldwolf Jul 2019 #68

It means if they go to Seattle and mock a gay waiter, they can expect a Seattle person to speak out. pnwmom Jul 2019 #69

You're certain that with a margin of those percentages, someone at a business meeting or... wyldwolf Jul 2019 #70

Biden seems certain that would be true NOW. I'm certain that it would have been just as true pnwmom Jul 2019 #71

yet 33%... wyldwolf Jul 2019 #72

Of the COUNTY. I keep telling you, Seattle is much more liberal than the overall county. pnwmom Jul 2019 #73

You are correct about Seattle. betsuni Jul 2019 #30

I don't think anyone would dispute this...in fact Chitown Kev Jul 2019 #4

Now the issue was he'd told the story before? wyldwolf Jul 2019 #6

Not necessarily my issue... Chitown Kev Jul 2019 #9

I've seen the same speeches given by politicians numerous times wyldwolf Jul 2019 #12

But that's John Lewis's story to tell... Chitown Kev Jul 2019 #43

The issue is that he could have made his point clearer and less disputable marylandblue Jul 2019 #23

He was only pointing out social attitudes have changed as to what is less acceptable or more emmaverybo Jul 2019 #48

In 2014, his story was that it was common to hear such jokes in 1999 More_Cowbell Jul 2019 #11

He was correct then, too. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #16

Yes, exactly. He really should stop telling stories at all. marylandblue Jul 2019 #26

Joe Biden had a pivotal role in the fight for marriage equality, LuvNewcastle Jul 2019 #13

Whatever you call it, he can't afford to do it at the Presidential level. marylandblue Jul 2019 #28

Oh, I agree. He's not the best candidate, not by a long shot. LuvNewcastle Jul 2019 #38

Oh puleeze. Trump's people will defeat him on the basis of his allusions being out of date? NT emmaverybo Jul 2019 #50

They will beat him on the basis of making the campaign one long distraction about nothing. marylandblue Jul 2019 #56

Fair enough. NT emmaverybo Jul 2019 #63

... shanny Jul 2019 #15

Well, a poster at DailyKos quoting someone using "whitey" has spoken. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #17

lame shanny Jul 2019 #19

yeah, you quoting someone using the term "whitey" was lame wyldwolf Jul 2019 #21

(shrug) shanny Jul 2019 #25

Maybe. Maybe not. But using an anonymous opinion to bolster yours? Lame. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #29

So. "anonymous" is your problem? What's your name, wyld? shanny Jul 2019 #31

Anonymous isn't my problem. The fact you'd think a dailykos diarist has any more credibility... wyldwolf Jul 2019 #45

lol dude. "Kos" is not some random anonymous diarist shanny Jul 2019 #49

Maybe he thought it was well written opinion on it's merits? marylandblue Jul 2019 #41

Whitey? tonedevil Jul 2019 #27

Do cite the "whitey" quote please. Inquiring minds. shanny Jul 2019 #34

Harris has already lost 5 of the 8 pts she gained post debate Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #18

in the same poll? or some other poll? shanny Jul 2019 #24

When this acceptable? melman Jul 2019 #22

Never ever. bluewater Jul 2019 #33

A "lisp?" Using that stereotype saddens me about Joe. cwydro Jul 2019 #57

For those who think that homophobia is a long-past issue, tell that to the 49 victims of the Skya Rhen Jul 2019 #36

The never biden people won't stop. FloridaBlues Jul 2019 #40

but a homophobic hate crime could NEEEVER happen in Seattle. Could it? wyldwolf Jul 2019 #42

It is almost impossible for something to matter less than this. Loki Liesmith Jul 2019 #46

THIS. emmaverybo Jul 2019 #52

What matters is knowing not to step in mine fields. Guess some have it and some don't. brush Jul 2019 #61

Plenty of gay hate right this very day, never mind 5 years ago. nt UniteFightBack Jul 2019 #54

Black and LGBT people are more than twice as likely as any other group to be targets of hate crimes Skya Rhen Jul 2019 #59

Exactly wyldwolf Jul 2019 #65