Democratic Primaries

58Sunliner

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36. Sorry, heart-felt personal opinions add little to the dialogue-especially when they are

Wed Jul 3, 2019, 01:36 AM

Jul 2019

the equivalent of "I'm just not into you". You know who they are going to rip to shreds if she makes the nomination? Harris. And the reasons will be valid, even if we think it's unfair. And it is not something I am happy about either, as she was my number 2. I heard an interesting program today on my local alternative/community station. It was several AAs of different ages talking about Harris/Biden/Buttigeig etc., and that they will not support someone who they do not see as electable, and they see Harris having insurmountable drawbacks. Their goal is to beat DT.
I find it interesting/disgusting that there is this common drum beat on this site by a number of people to misrepresent Biden, negate him through whatever slights such as this post. I'm not even a Biden supporter and I find it unpalatable. The funny thing is, you could find valid criticisms with his record and some of his gaffes. Instead people just make shit up.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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I don't agree that Biden is the most electable Democrat [View all] Goodheart Jul 2019 OP

I know what you mean rusty quoin Jul 2019 #1

People, People, People DENVERPOPS Jul 2019 #40

It's just like always for decades. We have to come out in overwhelming numbers. rusty quoin Jul 2019 #44

Well aren't you a ray of sunshine? Politicub Jul 2019 #76

Nonsense. MarvinGardens Jul 2019 #103

I feel the same IcyPeas Jul 2019 #2

Quite critical of Biden right now; but if he still is best bet to beat trump in March, Hoyt Jul 2019 #3

Of course, if after a few primaries Biden builds a delegate lead Goodheart Jul 2019 #7

I've never thought that Biden was electable for POTUS Chitown Kev Jul 2019 #4

Polls show him completely slaughtering Trump bearsfootball516 Jul 2019 #54

oh he's electable qazplm135 Jul 2019 #92

And you'll provide objective evidence supporting that "thought", yes? LanternWaste Jul 2019 #96

But you think Harris can win MI, Wi and PA...maybe FL...really. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #109

Different people are excited by different attributes. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #5

Personally I never found Joe Biden PatSeg Jul 2019 #10

the thought of any of the democratic candidates winning in November 2020 and getting rid of Trump JI7 Jul 2019 #50

Me too. I'm not looking for a rock star, I want someone who can beat Trump. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #74

This is not a base election...oh sure we need to turn out but this election will be won in Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #59

MFA, busing, reparations, Green Energy program, cancel student debt, healthcare all undocumented, emmaverybo Jul 2019 #105

Exactly right...get the presidency and then work on issues...run on the popular ones and try to Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #108

1,000,000,000,000 X's Agree. eilen Jul 2019 #132

Must be a sincere effort towards greater income equality, social justice, help for young people emmaverybo Jul 2019 #136

it would be exciting to have a sane president at all!! The Mouth Jul 2019 #91

Why do people constantly feel the need to mention they like Biden before they criticize him? BlueStater Jul 2019 #6

So we don't get attacked here? LOL. Goodheart Jul 2019 #8

Biden is being shoved down our throats big time. gldstwmn Jul 2019 #32

I agree that Biden is being pushed. potone Jul 2019 #49

Been Tired of the Pushing.... LovingA2andMI Jul 2019 #79

I would say Harris is being shoved down our throats by the media and supporters. I do not believe Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #61

I agree, the same thought crossed my mind. Harris is being shoved down our throats katmondoo Jul 2019 #73

I agree and for the record. I have always like Warren and still do. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #75

+1 treestar Jul 2019 #85

She certainly was for her debate actions! treestar Jul 2019 #83

Agreed. There's a gang here that alerts on anyone critical of Saint Joe. backscatter712 Jul 2019 #66

Sounds a bit like.... LovingA2andMI Jul 2019 #81

+1 Celerity Jul 2019 #98

That's campaigning, that's life treestar Jul 2019 #82

You obviously don't watch MSNBC. They are shoving Harris down our throats 24-7 redstateblues Jul 2019 #131

+1 obamanut2012 Jul 2019 #68

I too pretend oppression when I hold a minority opinion. LanternWaste Jul 2019 #97

Yup. That's the Soviet way. gldstwmn Jul 2019 #107

Because most people are quite aware that Joe is greatly loved and respected by others. Skya Rhen Jul 2019 #9

Probably because they know they'll get jumped on when they criticize Biden. n/t pnwmom Jul 2019 #11

I know most people here just come right out and hate Sanders from the get go. CentralMass Jul 2019 #12

Naw. I used to like him jberryhill Jul 2019 #15

Apparently it's contagious. . CentralMass Jul 2019 #20

Or consequential. MrsCoffee Jul 2019 #71

You must not remember the 'I like Bernie, but...' phenomena of the past couple years. aidbo Jul 2019 #19

That's funny BeyondGeography Jul 2019 #51

Because he is a good and likeable man MBS Jul 2019 #56

afraid of being hidden by the jury. nt RandiFan1290 Jul 2019 #60

This. And Skinner and the Mods let it happen. n/t MarcA Jul 2019 #123

That is itself might prove he is electable treestar Jul 2019 #84

He never was and is questionable now. Kind of Blue Jul 2019 #13

Joe is an excellent candidate and human being. IluvPitties Jul 2019 #14

Biden has already run for the nomination twice Chitown Kev Jul 2019 #21

His record as a public servant speaks for itself. IluvPitties Jul 2019 #64

Let me be clear...I don't dislike Joe Biden Chitown Kev Jul 2019 #112

I preface my comment by saying watoos Jul 2019 #16

I feel exact same way. He is much less exciting than Hillary was AlexSFCA Jul 2019 #17

In the GE he is, absolutely, no question. ucrdem Jul 2019 #18

You and a minority of others. Mme. Defarge Jul 2019 #22

Exactly. A minority view, according to the polls. highplainsdem Jul 2019 #27

It has nothing to do with liking or disliking him or finding him exciting or dull. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2019 #23

That crossed my mind too until he got mad. Then he delivered a right hook she didn't see coming ucrdem Jul 2019 #24

Not necessarily. Obama had a dismal first debate against Romney. I don't think highplainsdem Jul 2019 #26

A better sports analogy...or one that I have been using, in any event Chitown Kev Jul 2019 #48

I loved all those guys too True Dough Jul 2019 #63

The athletes I cited were ghosts of their former selves. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2019 #90

that was just one debate treestar Jul 2019 #87

far from just the debate buttressing that poster's positings Celerity Jul 2019 #101

until he proves otherwise, those would be valid comparisons IMHO nt Celerity Jul 2019 #99

He like they became ghosts of themselves. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2019 #100

His performance with Cuomo on CNN was essentially brilliant. gulliver Jul 2019 #139

Fact:Biden in his last two POTUS runs.... LovingA2andMI Jul 2019 #25

these are different times, and at least right now the polls do not reflect the op comments Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #28

Both.... LovingA2andMI Jul 2019 #41

Did it occur to you that the fact he's been the frontrunner for months during THIS run shows how highplainsdem Jul 2019 #30

One reason he's been the frontrunner for months is he has the highest name ID, followed by Sanders. PunkinPi Jul 2019 #58

The only way the other side can steal is if it's close. gldstwmn Jul 2019 #29

If we convince them the candidate is electable, they'll come. Every single poll I've seen that highplainsdem Jul 2019 #31

Mmmmhmmm... gldstwmn Jul 2019 #34

If you don't believe me, I suggest you go back through the polls that have been posted here. The highplainsdem Jul 2019 #38

Do you really want me to go back through the polls? gldstwmn Jul 2019 #39

No, the polls show what I said they did, over a period of months. We're a long way from any highplainsdem Jul 2019 #42

Only Joe can win the swing states and he will be our next President - facts support this. Skya Rhen Jul 2019 #43

You don't rebut then what what the polls show mentioned in the post you are responding to? NT emmaverybo Jul 2019 #113

+1000. Kind of Blue Jul 2019 #37

If Joe is to be our nominee he needs to up his game a bit. comradebillyboy Jul 2019 #33

Joe Biden is the most electable candidate that the Democratic Party has available Gothmog Jul 2019 #35

That's Joe's best talking point, watoos Jul 2019 #53

Joe Biden is the only Democratic candidate with a wide lead over President Trump Gothmog Jul 2019 #125

Sorry, heart-felt personal opinions add little to the dialogue-especially when they are 58Sunliner Jul 2019 #36

+1000 Skya Rhen Jul 2019 #45

It's very early, but I'm still making a prediction of an election. rusty quoin Jul 2019 #46

I don't see either of them winning a general in the states we need...sure I vote for whoever emerges Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #62

I would like to know what evidence you base that judgement on eilen Jul 2019 #133

How about the Senate map? How about the midterms...we can't even get 51 votes in the Senate in 20... Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #134

Great Prediction... LovingA2andMI Jul 2019 #86

New polls show Biden beating Trump...and not Warren or Harris. As I want Trump gone as do most Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #135

Every single poll out there shows Biden leading all the other candidates in head-to-head Skya Rhen Jul 2019 #137

let's go Joe ! stonecutter357 Jul 2019 #47

wait. what? wyldwolf Jul 2019 #52

CNN interview w/Joe on Friday, June 5th. nt oasis Jul 2019 #55

Not a Good sign.... LovingA2andMI Jul 2019 #88

I've got a hunch Joe will do himself a lot of good. oasis Jul 2019 #102

No we need to win three states...MI, WI and PA...excitement might be feel good... Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #57

I'm having some difficulty with this train of thought. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #77

She was despised because of NAFTA first of all...and we barely lost Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #89

despised because of NAFTA?!? jcgoldie Jul 2019 #110

Her husband was president so she was blamed more than Biden...and Biden redeemed himself after Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #111

Contrary to what she said, and borne out by fact, she was a major cheerleader for NAFTA. Nt emmaverybo Jul 2019 #114

Oh a cheerleader! jcgoldie Jul 2019 #120

Biden also supported NAFTA but regretted it and his votes are almost perfect years later. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #122

bullshit jcgoldie Jul 2019 #119

Yes it did...but we can agree to disagree that and the attacks from the right and th left. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #121

As long as Dems do not acknowledge Russia's role in 2016, and want to delisen Jul 2019 #93

Yeah, I think it's slightly more complicated than that. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #95

New Washington Post/ABC Poll ** Biden 29%, Sanders 23%, Harris 11%, Warren 11% Skya Rhen Jul 2019 #65

Thanks for posting this. NT emmaverybo Jul 2019 #115

Me either -- I actually think it's Warren, and I didn't think that until recently obamanut2012 Jul 2019 #67

IMO he's the most unelectable Democrat we have running. Autumn Jul 2019 #69

You are spot on that hate and fear are great motivators. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #70

Seriously Goodheart.. I will pass on excitement and entertaining Peacetrain Jul 2019 #72

He's Not..... LovingA2andMI Jul 2019 #78

No one else is, either treestar Jul 2019 #80

Exciting, really? peggysue2 Jul 2019 #94

👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 emmaverybo Jul 2019 #116

He looks totally old to me. Very beige and frail. sweetroxie Jul 2019 #104

Beige? Do you think his beige-privilege will be an issue or that he should get a fake tan? Agree emmaverybo Jul 2019 #118

Plenty of Dems thought Gore was electable in 2000 IronLionZion Jul 2019 #106

And he was. Rigged balloting. Voter suppression. Stolen election. NT emmaverybo Jul 2019 #117

he was, it was stolen from him.too bad the so called green party didn't think the environment JI7 Jul 2019 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author LovingA2andMI Jul 2019 #126

Joe Biden Is The Only Democrat With A Clear Advantage Over Trump In New Poll Gothmog Jul 2019 #127

No question. Harris, good grief. ucrdem Jul 2019 #138

American electorate disagrees with you. NT emmaverybo Jul 2019 #128

Back in 2008 I said over and over America wouldn't elect a black president doc03 Jul 2019 #129

I like Mayor Pete but honestly, Mayor Pete has 0% of African Americans in SC redstateblues Jul 2019 #130

Biden is out polling the other democrats Gothmog Jul 2019 #140