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In reply to the discussion: Harris says busing should not be mandated [View all]StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)87. Yes. Having your kids terrorized by white mobs can have that effect
But this wasn't about opposition to integration but just that white parents didn't want their kids bused too far away from their neighborhood schools, right?
Boston Globe
The administration had been preparing for this day since US District Judge W. Arthur Garrity Jr.s decision in June to end public school segregation and bypass an intransigent elected School Committee that had long resisted doing anything about it. Garritys ruling had been hailed by many as a long-overdue civil rights victory. Black residents had fought for better education and schools, and thought of this as one way to achieve that goal. But many parents vehemently rebelled, especially in South Boston, one of several neighborhoods picked for the first phase of the desegregation process.
...
(The driver of the bus carrying black children into South Boston) emerged from the rotary and turned right onto Dorchester Street. As soon as he made the turn, he saw the crowd in the street. At least 100 people blocked the way, yelling and gesturing in anger. Before he could react, he heard a thud, the sound of something heavy striking the side of the bus. A second later, glass shattered behind him. And he heard the children on his bus start screaming. What the hell is happening? ... Now, it seemed he was entering some other, uglier world. The kind of hate hed seen on TV, in the South but never in his city it was here now, right in front of him. But there wasnt time to dwell on his shock. He had to get the children out of harms way, as fast as he could.
...
He kept rolling up the street, more bricks slamming into the sides of the bus. Theyre tearing us up, he thought. People on the street were at the back door of the bus now, trying to pull it open. Hold the door! Richardson hollered at the kids in the back of the bus. Hold on, dont let them open it!
He could hear people outside yelling racial slurs. He could hear the children on the bus, crying harder. He took a left, trying to find a way out. He drove to the end of West Eighth Street and ran into D Street. There, at the corner, he realized his mistake. They were surrounded by another crowd, bigger and more furious than the first. Bricks were flying, with few windows left to stop them. Richardson told the kids to lie down on the floor, but the kids were lying down already.
He turned left on D Street, left again onto Dorchester Avenue. At Andrew Station, the MBTA train stop, he saw other school buses gathered. He wasnt the only driver who had been forced to turn back. The police were there, and ambulances, medics pulling shards of glass out of childrens heads.
...
Niggers go home! Here we go Southie!
Why are they yelling at us? someone on the bus said.
...
The petrified students walked in single file or rows of two through a gauntlet of police, news cameras, and photographers, and finally passed through the front doors. Phyllis did not hear the teachers saying good morning as she entered the building. She clung to the other black students. In a single bus ride they had been forever linked. They were in this together now.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/09/06/boston-busing-crisis-years-later/DS35nsuqp0yh8f1q9aRQUL/story.html?outputType=amp
The administration had been preparing for this day since US District Judge W. Arthur Garrity Jr.s decision in June to end public school segregation and bypass an intransigent elected School Committee that had long resisted doing anything about it. Garritys ruling had been hailed by many as a long-overdue civil rights victory. Black residents had fought for better education and schools, and thought of this as one way to achieve that goal. But many parents vehemently rebelled, especially in South Boston, one of several neighborhoods picked for the first phase of the desegregation process.
...
(The driver of the bus carrying black children into South Boston) emerged from the rotary and turned right onto Dorchester Street. As soon as he made the turn, he saw the crowd in the street. At least 100 people blocked the way, yelling and gesturing in anger. Before he could react, he heard a thud, the sound of something heavy striking the side of the bus. A second later, glass shattered behind him. And he heard the children on his bus start screaming. What the hell is happening? ... Now, it seemed he was entering some other, uglier world. The kind of hate hed seen on TV, in the South but never in his city it was here now, right in front of him. But there wasnt time to dwell on his shock. He had to get the children out of harms way, as fast as he could.
...
He kept rolling up the street, more bricks slamming into the sides of the bus. Theyre tearing us up, he thought. People on the street were at the back door of the bus now, trying to pull it open. Hold the door! Richardson hollered at the kids in the back of the bus. Hold on, dont let them open it!
He could hear people outside yelling racial slurs. He could hear the children on the bus, crying harder. He took a left, trying to find a way out. He drove to the end of West Eighth Street and ran into D Street. There, at the corner, he realized his mistake. They were surrounded by another crowd, bigger and more furious than the first. Bricks were flying, with few windows left to stop them. Richardson told the kids to lie down on the floor, but the kids were lying down already.
He turned left on D Street, left again onto Dorchester Avenue. At Andrew Station, the MBTA train stop, he saw other school buses gathered. He wasnt the only driver who had been forced to turn back. The police were there, and ambulances, medics pulling shards of glass out of childrens heads.
...
Niggers go home! Here we go Southie!
Why are they yelling at us? someone on the bus said.
...
The petrified students walked in single file or rows of two through a gauntlet of police, news cameras, and photographers, and finally passed through the front doors. Phyllis did not hear the teachers saying good morning as she entered the building. She clung to the other black students. In a single bus ride they had been forever linked. They were in this together now.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/09/06/boston-busing-crisis-years-later/DS35nsuqp0yh8f1q9aRQUL/story.html?outputType=amp



primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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That wasn't it. I grew up in New York City, and busing was almost unanimously opposed....
George II
Jul 2019
#90
He lives in an ivory tower...we stopped pursuing this policy because it made things worse and,
Demsrule86
Jul 2019
#108
Oh so now I am not a liberal because I don't want to lose the election over a 40 year old
Demsrule86
Jul 2019
#185
white flight into other completely separated school districts ended the practice, no way schools
beachbum bob
Jul 2019
#118
In the 80's ...the busing of black children almost resulted in attempted murder as someone
Demsrule86
Jul 2019
#186
These were people opposed to busing...and yes they were domestic terrorists...but the policy was
Demsrule86
Jul 2019
#190
My point was even going into the 80's busing was a divisive failed policy...and in 2007 busing
Demsrule86
Jul 2019
#192
The fact that some resorted to violence to stop busing isn't an effective argument against busing
StarfishSaver
Jul 2019
#193
I knew she would say that soon. She's not dumb enough to leave the murder weapon lying around.
marylandblue
Jul 2019
#6
You find the link. It is history. Liberal democrats and some northern republicans
Blue_true
Jul 2019
#177
Some people ask for links just to stall, divert and make you do additional work
EffieBlack
Jul 2019
#180
Good point. The bill that Biden co-wrote is part of the congressional record,
Blue_true
Jul 2019
#182
Really? I don't think so...she used it to score a hit in a debate when it was no longer
Demsrule86
Jul 2019
#110
Everyone worked with segregationists in those days...they controlled the comittees...but
Demsrule86
Jul 2019
#184
Biden co-wrote a bill to ban the only solution to entrenched school segregation.
Blue_true
Jul 2019
#187
This is quite disappointing because that was exactly what Biden's position was, and he was maligned
still_one
Jul 2019
#8
Care to explain how court ordered and federally mandated were separate things?
StarfishSaver
Jul 2019
#130
Court ordered addressed systematic segregation. Federally mandated was tied to federal funding.
ucrdem
Jul 2019
#133
If that were true Harris just rejected all current consent decrees. They aren't the same thing. nt
ucrdem
Jul 2019
#167
Yep. Apology. Joe deserves apology from Harris, Booker, Linda Flores , moderators who allowed
emmaverybo
Jul 2019
#55
There was an OP here earlier today suggesting that perhaps Joe Biden has a "hearing problem".
still_one
Jul 2019
#19
Could have signs of premature deafness if we subscribe to the medically tone deaf stereotype of
emmaverybo
Jul 2019
#60
Sadly, it's clear that far too many Democrats have no interest in the facts
StarfishSaver
Jul 2019
#44
No. Busing wasn't mandated. Desegregation through school reassignment was
StarfishSaver
Jul 2019
#47
Are you saying it wasn't court ordered? Wasn't the whole thing left up to the courts to determine
still_one
Jul 2019
#82
I've seen some spin on DU. but never "court-ordered doesn't mean mandatory" - type BS
wyldwolf
Jul 2019
#135
I think the argument being made by some is that Brown Vs The Board of Education never said that
still_one
Jul 2019
#143
I think that is a great question. Audi Cornish from NPR suggested a couple, magnet schools,
still_one
Jul 2019
#164
Magnet schools are a good idea, but they didn't work well then because of residential segregation
StarfishSaver
Jul 2019
#165
Thank you for the insights Starfish. There is no doubt that much of the progress made, has slowly
still_one
Jul 2019
#181
The underlying issue is Biden has a solid record on Civil Rights. Not sure why Democrats
emulatorloo
Jul 2019
#136
There was nothing in that Wikipedia reference or LA Times reference that contradicted anything you
still_one
Jul 2019
#96
As a clinical chemist and software engineer, you probably know quite a bit about your field
EffieBlack
Jul 2019
#159
I understand your point Effie, but that's how people learn, of course they have to be willing to
still_one
Jul 2019
#166
Since the district transferred me to a school 5 miles away,how was I expected to get there and back?
MichMan
Jul 2019
#57
How would you like to have been stuck in a separate, but unequal school, so white folks didn't have
Hoyt
Jul 2019
#74
What would have been a better alternative for desegregating the schools in your community?
StarfishSaver
Jul 2019
#111
Brown Vs The Board of Education was an important decision to disallow establishing racial
still_one
Jul 2019
#106
Once it gets into the press it's out of both their hands. It's here to stay I'm afraid.
ucrdem
Jul 2019
#122
They will get asked relentlessly, it will come up in the debates, the NYT will drone on and on
ucrdem
Jul 2019
#129
Bottom line: Harris handed Joe a GE victory by making him the man who killed busing
ucrdem
Jul 2019
#121
Joe offends someone, they owe him an apology. Someone offends Joe, they owe him an apology.
EffieBlack
Jul 2019
#161
I saw her comments regarding this and she did answer it adeptly. She ended with it should be in the
UniteFightBack
Jul 2019
#146