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StarfishSaver

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113. Busing's not to blame for that

Thu Jul 4, 2019, 08:36 AM

Jul 2019

Charlotte schools were segregated long before busing ever came into to picture. And after Brown, white Charlotte residents dug in their heels and refused to comply with the law. They were taken to court and it STILL took them years after that to come up with an effective desegregation plan. And when it came time to implement it, I get same people who've been pulling out all the stops to suppress the black vote and oppress the LGBTQ community also did everything within their power to make sure desegregation didn't occur.

The failure of desegregation in Charlotte wasn't the fault of busing. Busing just wasn't enough to overcome the pervasive, intractable and insidious racism and ingrained segregation that existed in North Carolina for decades.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Harris says busing should not be mandated [View all] wyldwolf Jul 2019 OP

I think that's for the best. Turin_C3PO Jul 2019 #1

Wait, what? madville Jul 2019 #2

Apparently. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #4

Yeah. Kahuna7 Jul 2019 #27

Ikr.. what's wrong with this picture? Cha Jul 2019 #36

Just like the Medicare for all. Still not sure what side she is on. FloridaBlues Jul 2019 #46

No. Blue_true Jul 2019 #62

Cool story brah. John Fante Jul 2019 #179

Whatever. Reality is often a cool story. Have a good life. nt Blue_true Jul 2019 #183

Busing has been a dead issue for decades, why keep bringing it up? George II Jul 2019 #3

Court-mandated school busing mostly got a lot of Republicans elected sop Jul 2019 #78

Busing pissed off a lot of African Americans, too. George II Jul 2019 #80

Yes. Having your kids terrorized by white mobs can have that effect StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #87

That wasn't it. I grew up in New York City, and busing was almost unanimously opposed.... George II Jul 2019 #90

Busing poor underserved blacks to Buzz cook Jul 2019 #92

He lives in an ivory tower...we stopped pursuing this policy because it made things worse and, Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #108

"You couldn't be elected dog catcher" Buzz cook Jul 2019 #160

Oh so now I am not a liberal because I don't want to lose the election over a 40 year old Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #185

You take offense far too easily Buzz cook Jul 2019 #189

white flight into other completely separated school districts ended the practice, no way schools beachbum bob Jul 2019 #118

White flight was a response to desegregation and predated busing StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #128

white flight exploded after desegration forced bsuing was being enacted beachbum bob Jul 2019 #144

That didn't happen in my city. cwydro Jul 2019 #103

Boston wasn't a pilot project StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #112

In the 80's ...the busing of black children almost resulted in attempted murder as someone Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #186

You're surely not blaming domestic terrorism on busing? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #188

These were people opposed to busing...and yes they were domestic terrorists...but the policy was Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #190

What was YOUR point? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #191

My point was even going into the 80's busing was a divisive failed policy...and in 2007 busing Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #192

The fact that some resorted to violence to stop busing isn't an effective argument against busing StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #193

. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #142

Busing served its purpose BeyondGeography Jul 2019 #5

Yes customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #30

Lol. Thank you. cwydro Jul 2019 #104

Busing's not to blame for that StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #113

Bollocks. cwydro Jul 2019 #114

Well I guess that settles it StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #116

well, it served Kamala Harris's purpose last week. Just not this week. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #31

+10000000000 millions of agree. No way to say it better. NT emmaverybo Jul 2019 #53

and that's how the media works now. And she knows it. AlexSFCA Jul 2019 #59

+1 Galraedia Jul 2019 #95

What will they do with the t-shirts? Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #109

I knew she would say that soon. She's not dumb enough to leave the murder weapon lying around. marylandblue Jul 2019 #6

I wish I'd said that! Mme. Defarge Jul 2019 #56

I wish I'd said that! Mme. Defarge Jul 2019 #58

Funny that's what Joe said 44 years ago ucrdem Jul 2019 #7

You are dead wrong. Blue_true Jul 2019 #65

Hardly. Biden called for those same remedies and more ucrdem Jul 2019 #69

Biden worked on legistlation with segregationists. Blue_true Jul 2019 #71

Well she would have to if she was serious about it. ucrdem Jul 2019 #79

Her solution to the problem of school integration is nuanced. Blue_true Jul 2019 #93

Okay thank you, but that is the position Biden argued in 1975. ucrdem Jul 2019 #97

He crafted a bill, co-written with segregationists. Blue_true Jul 2019 #170

Can you give me a link to this legislation? ucrdem Jul 2019 #171

You find the link. It is history. Liberal democrats and some northern republicans Blue_true Jul 2019 #177

Alrighty then! Time to enjoy some fireworks! ucrdem Jul 2019 #178

Some people ask for links just to stall, divert and make you do additional work EffieBlack Jul 2019 #180

Good point. The bill that Biden co-wrote is part of the congressional record, Blue_true Jul 2019 #182

Really? I don't think so...she used it to score a hit in a debate when it was no longer Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #110

She pointed out the fact of what Joe did. Blue_true Jul 2019 #172

That's too much work to try to understand StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #173

Everyone worked with segregationists in those days...they controlled the comittees...but Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #184

Biden co-wrote a bill to ban the only solution to entrenched school segregation. Blue_true Jul 2019 #187

So racism in housing is gone? That's great news. Who knew? redstateblues Jul 2019 #86

In many places it is. Blue_true Jul 2019 #91

Yeah, this. rusty quoin Jul 2019 #102

Yeah, I have to admit that I am surprised by my county, then maybe not. Blue_true Jul 2019 #174

This is quite disappointing because that was exactly what Biden's position was, and he was maligned still_one Jul 2019 #8

sigh crazytown Jul 2019 #11

Not where it was court ordered ucrdem Jul 2019 #14

That is why he was seeking a constitutional amendment crazytown Jul 2019 #16

To end federally mandated busing where it wasn't court ordered. ucrdem Jul 2019 #20

I disagree crazytown Jul 2019 #22

A little late for that. ucrdem Jul 2019 #26

It has damaged the Democratic party for the general election for sure. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #28

But trump won't notice ucrdem Jul 2019 #32

Yeah - and the Party has to minimize the damage. crazytown Jul 2019 #33

Not so fast. ucrdem Jul 2019 #34

Harris is at heart a New Democrat, crazytown Jul 2019 #35

You got it! ucrdem Jul 2019 #37

... crazytown Jul 2019 #39

Trump has already pumped the race well dry. Blue_true Jul 2019 #73

It has been pointed out over and over. Blue_true Jul 2019 #70

No, federally mandated and court-ordered were two separate issues. ucrdem Jul 2019 #123

Care to explain how court ordered and federally mandated were separate things? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #130

Court ordered addressed systematic segregation. Federally mandated was tied to federal funding. ucrdem Jul 2019 #133

That's not how it worked. StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #157

If that were true Harris just rejected all current consent decrees. They aren't the same thing. nt ucrdem Jul 2019 #167

Sounds like you don't know what a consent decree is, either StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #175

LOL. Have a nice 4th! ucrdem Jul 2019 #176

Now you understand how some people hang on to the Lost Cause. Blue_true Jul 2019 #169

Now that Harris disowns it. NT emmaverybo Jul 2019 #64

Biden voted for a bill that segregationists wrote. Blue_true Jul 2019 #68

Yes she usurped while it served her, & now discards it once she onetexan Jul 2019 #13

Yep. Apology. Joe deserves apology from Harris, Booker, Linda Flores , moderators who allowed emmaverybo Jul 2019 #55

No it was not. The basic reasons for segregation are different today. Blue_true Jul 2019 #66

It's the right thing to say, crazytown Jul 2019 #9

If Steve Kornacki had a chart showing which Dem candidate had oasis Jul 2019 #10

maybe she misheard her statements to Joe Biden? wyldwolf Jul 2019 #12

Then maybe she should start learning "doublespeak". oasis Jul 2019 #15

There was an OP here earlier today suggesting that perhaps Joe Biden has a "hearing problem". still_one Jul 2019 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author oasis Jul 2019 #21

Could have signs of premature deafness if we subscribe to the medically tone deaf stereotype of emmaverybo Jul 2019 #60

How does she reconcile today's statement with Sunday's ? MichMan Jul 2019 #17

Geez. This was a rookie mistake by her. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #18

Well something positive to look at is now the twitterverse and cable Kahuna7 Jul 2019 #38

That rookie mistake is insignificant crazytown Jul 2019 #45

She has already backtracked on that as well madville Jul 2019 #105

Today's solution could involve a package. Blue_true Jul 2019 #75

So Harris agrees with Biden now? Princetonian Jul 2019 #23

Get that! Kahuna7 Jul 2019 #25

It might change next week. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #29

I hope she gets asked that 10,000 times. Nt BootinUp Jul 2019 #24

Interesting. highplainsdem Jul 2019 #40

Yeah, start fining the hell out of localities that draw boundaries and Hoyt Jul 2019 #41

Sadly, it's clear that far too many Democrats have no interest in the facts StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #44

The last week has been quite enlightening and disappointing. Hoyt Jul 2019 #48

Busing was never mandatory StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #42

so your fallback is court-mandated busing was... a myth? wyldwolf Jul 2019 #43

No. Busing wasn't mandated. Desegregation through school reassignment was StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #47

+10000000000000 Hoyt Jul 2019 #49

you realize you just "+10000000000000" complete BS, right? wyldwolf Jul 2019 #51

Court ordered yes, but not mandatory still_one Jul 2019 #67

Wikipedia? EffieBlack Jul 2019 #81

Are you saying it wasn't court ordered? Wasn't the whole thing left up to the courts to determine still_one Jul 2019 #82

Desegregation plans that included busing as one of the tools were ordered EffieBlack Jul 2019 #84

"The courts didn't order students to be bused." YES they did wyldwolf Jul 2019 #137

Citing to descriptions of cases (with no sourcing) StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #152

Did or didn't these judges mandate busing? wyldwolf Jul 2019 #154

They mandated the school create and implement desegregation plans StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #155

The judges spefically mandated busing wyldwolf Jul 2019 #156

I'm not going to keep arguing with you about this. StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #158

Good wyldwolf Jul 2019 #162

I've seen some spin on DU. but never "court-ordered doesn't mean mandatory" - type BS wyldwolf Jul 2019 #135

I think the argument being made by some is that Brown Vs The Board of Education never said that still_one Jul 2019 #143

No one "opened up busing as an ideal solution to school desegregation" StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #153

I think that is a great question. Audi Cornish from NPR suggested a couple, magnet schools, still_one Jul 2019 #164

Magnet schools are a good idea, but they didn't work well then because of residential segregation StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #165

Thank you for the insights Starfish. There is no doubt that much of the progress made, has slowly still_one Jul 2019 #181

I'm not sure why you folks can't see past the "busing" to the underlying issue. Hoyt Jul 2019 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Jul 2019 #131

The underlying issue is Biden has a solid record on Civil Rights. Not sure why Democrats emulatorloo Jul 2019 #136

So... wyldwolf Jul 2019 #50

I suggest you read the case you're citing StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #76

+10000000000000 EffieBlack Jul 2019 #85

There was nothing in that Wikipedia reference or LA Times reference that contradicted anything you still_one Jul 2019 #96

As a clinical chemist and software engineer, you probably know quite a bit about your field EffieBlack Jul 2019 #159

I understand your point Effie, but that's how people learn, of course they have to be willing to still_one Jul 2019 #166

I suggest you get a firmer grasp on recent history wyldwolf Jul 2019 #134

My source was the case itself. You should read it. StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #140

Ok, like I said. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #148

Since the district transferred me to a school 5 miles away,how was I expected to get there and back? MichMan Jul 2019 #57

How would you like to have been stuck in a separate, but unequal school, so white folks didn't have Hoyt Jul 2019 #74

IKR? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #83

I understand the bus ride was inconvenient for you StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #77

The statement was made that no one was ever forced to take a bus MichMan Jul 2019 #98

What would have been a better alternative for desegregating the schools in your community? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #111

Ready, fire, aim! RHMerriman Jul 2019 #52

Different times, need different solutions. Blue_true Jul 2019 #54

And there you go! peggysue2 Jul 2019 #61

And slavery reparations. Another loser. nt Kahuna7 Jul 2019 #119

Another walkback Zambero Jul 2019 #63

Why busing didn't end school segregation: still_one Jul 2019 #88

Makes one wonder if someone has any core values - OhZone Jul 2019 #89

She's making the same argument Biden made 50 YEARS AGO Galraedia Jul 2019 #94

Busing was court ordered Buzz cook Jul 2019 #99

Brown Vs The Board of Education was an important decision to disallow establishing racial still_one Jul 2019 #106

Did Kamala just agreed with what Biden's position was in the 1970s? Vegas Roller Jul 2019 #100

Right down to the nuances. ucrdem Jul 2019 #101

So much for 'I was that girl'. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #107

Why are they still bickering over this a week later? Indygram Jul 2019 #115

LOL, this article is about Harris, not Biden. nt ucrdem Jul 2019 #117

I just wish they would both knock it off and move on Indygram Jul 2019 #120

Once it gets into the press it's out of both their hands. It's here to stay I'm afraid. ucrdem Jul 2019 #122

I disagree that it's here to stay due to the press Indygram Jul 2019 #127

They will get asked relentlessly, it will come up in the debates, the NYT will drone on and on ucrdem Jul 2019 #129

In politics, you don't get to smack someone with impunity wyldwolf Jul 2019 #139

Bottom line: Harris handed Joe a GE victory by making him the man who killed busing ucrdem Jul 2019 #121

that's a great observation KayF Jul 2019 #124

I think she'd make a great VP. They would be quite a team! ucrdem Jul 2019 #125

Wow. Seriously? Kamala is not ready for prime time. Goodheart Jul 2019 #126

Warren is the better candidate of the two, definitely wyldwolf Jul 2019 #138

Oh my ... epic flip-flop nt NYMinute Jul 2019 #132

David Axelrod wyldwolf Jul 2019 #141

Other outlets are now pursuing this: still_one Jul 2019 #145

Exactly! What was it all about?! R B Garr Jul 2019 #150

Joe offends someone, they owe him an apology. Someone offends Joe, they owe him an apology. EffieBlack Jul 2019 #161

Funny, I see the pattern as bag on Joe to score points no R B Garr Jul 2019 #163

I saw her comments regarding this and she did answer it adeptly. She ended with it should be in the UniteFightBack Jul 2019 #146

This message was self-deleted by its author Politicub Jul 2019 #147

Harris should stop beating a dead horse. Midwestocrat Jul 2019 #149

She opened up the can wyldwolf Jul 2019 #151

It would seem so. Cha Jul 2019 #168