Democratic Primaries

StarfishSaver

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62. Here's the problem with that suggestion

Fri Jul 5, 2019, 11:33 AM

Jul 2019

If we shut up about race until we win, then we'll be told to shut up about it so we can win again.

We've been told to be quiet about this for decades. This isn't really about a concern over winning. It's about kicking the can down the road so some people don't ever feel uncomfortable. How much longer are we supposed to hold our tongues in order not to rock the boat?

And we don't need a "nice debate" about putting racists under a rock. We need a vigorous, sometimes painful debate about how we can all do better on race and how to eliminate the systemic inequalities in this country. That requires much more than a "nice debate" and is about more than pointing fingers at the stereotypical villains.

And haven't we been having some pretty intense discussions here about how, on another issue, we shouldn't worry about politics but should just do the right thing, regardless whether it helps or hinders us in the next election?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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If we all agree that Joe Biden isn't racist then why does it matter? [View all] Cary Jul 2019 OP

some of the criticism is over his lack of preparation for the debate JI7 Jul 2019 #1

Don't forget DownriverDem Jul 2019 #26

Yes I think he was ready for an ambush, but not from Kamala ucrdem Jul 2019 #30

Who would have known Butterflylady Jul 2019 #54

He had 30 seconds to respond to stuff that wasn't accurate Jarqui Jul 2019 #55

Why is that so important? treestar Jul 2019 #57

I find that odd, too, Treestar Cary Jul 2019 #75

It's important in this election because of Trump. marylandblue Jul 2019 #84

that's the first time on DU that Tangerine Rathead treestar Jul 2019 #87

No, it's not the first time, because I've said stuff like that before. marylandblue Jul 2019 #88

Uh huh emulatorloo Jul 2019 #77

Something something intentional mischaracterization Lordquinton Jul 2019 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author rampartc Jul 2019 #2

I haven't heard any suggestion that he engaged in past racism Cary Jul 2019 #11

"Alleged"? He has a solid record on Civil Rights. And is doing very well w AA dems emulatorloo Jul 2019 #29

The old" have you stopped beating your wife" redstateblues Jul 2019 #34

Just framing your negative that way continues the mischaracterization that began this fake bs. LakeArenal Jul 2019 #38

It matters if Joe, or any other candidate cannot properly respond to criticism, false accusations vlyons Jul 2019 #3

If we don't vote then we are screwed Cary Jul 2019 #15

It says more about those who use lies and innuenda to attack a fellow Democrats than it does Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #37

Why? treestar Jul 2019 #58

primary debates are like reality shows, I don;t watch either, I know the beachbum bob Jul 2019 #4

Can you tell me his history? cannabis_flower Jul 2019 #6

start here with the wiki page beachbum bob Jul 2019 #8

Really? Cary Jul 2019 #16

He never voted for Reagan. It's ok for your candidate to evolve but not Joe redstateblues Jul 2019 #32

Touche! Cary Jul 2019 #60

Show me some evidence of evolution cannabis_flower Jul 2019 #78

If you haven't personally checked Biden's experience ( I refuse to call it "past") LakeArenal Jul 2019 #40

No cannabis_flower Jul 2019 #79

because as Pete Buttigieg senior adviser Lis Smith said: wyldwolf Jul 2019 #5

That just makes so much sense Cary Jul 2019 #12

It doesn't matter in any real sense. It's an effort to grab some of Biden's AA support. ucrdem Jul 2019 #7

the GOP, Putin all need to have Biden taken out by the primary rivals as all know what beachbum bob Jul 2019 #9

Yep if they take out Biden good luck winning on Reparations for All ucrdem Jul 2019 #13

Harris brought race into the discussion, and that's a mistake calguy Jul 2019 #14

Agreed. And for what purpose? Cary Jul 2019 #17

Barack Obama never, ever turned it into a weapon to bash anyone. ucrdem Jul 2019 #18

Do you mean Cha Jul 2019 #21

Yes thanks, I keep making that mistake ucrdem Jul 2019 #23

lol.. Cha Jul 2019 #31

That must have been noisy LOL! ucrdem Jul 2019 #33

I've always loved Fireworks! Cha Jul 2019 #36

This year we have fireworks and earthquakes. . . ucrdem Jul 2019 #90

Wow! Did you feel the Cha Jul 2019 #91

I didn't feel it but I noticed the lights swaying ucrdem Jul 2019 #92

Good for California learning Cha Jul 2019 #93

It was strange. ucrdem Jul 2019 #94

Yes! My point exactly. calguy Jul 2019 #41

It wasn't the right wing that went after Obama on Wright. It was Hillary's campaign. hedda_foil Jul 2019 #28

It was the Rush Limbaugh crowd. ucrdem Jul 2019 #35

Right wing video...Hillary was asked to comment on it...and in my opinion and she shouldn't have. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #42

I hope that's an overstatement Bob Cary Jul 2019 #20

more true than not I am afraid to say beachbum bob Jul 2019 #25

Sorry, I don't buy that only Biden can win. Turin_C3PO Jul 2019 #39

Most have taken positions way too far to the left to win the rust belt. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #43

Trump took positions to the far right Turin_C3PO Jul 2019 #46

you keep saying that shanny Jul 2019 #51

let's go Joe ! stonecutter357 Jul 2019 #10

"what does it say about a Democrat who will attack him for it? " onetexan Jul 2019 #19

Let's not make too much of that, yet Cary Jul 2019 #22

Nothing. There is a primary happening. People line up behind candidates they support. Politicub Jul 2019 #45

one thing's for sure: a stunt like that sure doesn't leave a good first impression onetexan Jul 2019 #63

I guess I'm more meta about the exchange - the moment it Politicub Jul 2019 #68

When you run for President, everything you said or did in you entire life marylandblue Jul 2019 #24

No, doubt Harris will find this out. But this was an attack without merit complete with t-shirts. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #44

We live in interesting times Cary Jul 2019 #49

When you figure out a way to discipline candidates in the primary and internet era, marylandblue Jul 2019 #52

That sounds to me like an excuse Cary Jul 2019 #59

It sounds to me like you think what we do on DU actually matters. marylandblue Jul 2019 #61

And that too is an excuse Cary Jul 2019 #65

Sure, the internet is full of trolls. Don't feed them. marylandblue Jul 2019 #66

Biden never was a racist and he is not one now. Vegas Roller Jul 2019 #27

spot on. Biden was VP for America's first black POTUS for God's sake onetexan Jul 2019 #71

Without such insinuations LibFarmer Jul 2019 #47

Exactly. "Super-predators," worked so well against Hillary, makes sense Kahuna7 Jul 2019 #64

This is the kind of binary argument that makes discussions about race very difficult StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #48

As opposed to "the other kind of 'binary argument'" where the racists divide us Cary Jul 2019 #50

How about we don't have binary arguments at all? marylandblue Jul 2019 #53

How about we focus on winning in 2020? Cary Jul 2019 #56

Here's the problem with that suggestion StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #62

Because, like every society, we have divisions. marylandblue Jul 2019 #67

Making sure we are in a position to fix the problems isn't "ignoring." Cary Jul 2019 #72

Of course, but how do we get there? Who is best to lead us there? marylandblue Jul 2019 #83

We are who we have been waiting for Cary Jul 2019 #86

I think it is more a conversation about privilege and how that affects perceptions and decisions. silentEcho Jul 2019 #69

Would you rather have it with Unindicted Co-Conspirator in the White House? Cary Jul 2019 #74

I'm sorry? Huh? silentEcho Jul 2019 #82

We all knew it was coming, I'm just surprised at who it's coming from. My 2nd & 3rd choices... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2019 #70

I can't believe people don't understand why attacking each other is a bad idea Cary Jul 2019 #73

If a weakened nominee limps through to the general, they'll be so battered & bruised... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2019 #81

I look at it as a chance for the candidates Jakes Progress Jul 2019 #76

If I recall... Mike Nelson Jul 2019 #80

The question for me wasn't actually about the busing... Bettie Jul 2019 #89

That makes sense. Cary Jul 2019 #95

Joe Biden is the most electable candidate that the Democratic Party has available Gothmog Jul 2019 #96

That is becoming apparent, Gothmog Cary Jul 2019 #97