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Demsrule86

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192. My point was even going into the 80's busing was a divisive failed policy...and in 2007 busing

Fri Jul 5, 2019, 02:15 PM

Jul 2019

to address race was outlawed by SCOTUS so it is a moot point...surprised Harris didn't seem to know that.
The policy was abandoned in 1988 from what I can tell.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Harris says busing should not be mandated [View all] wyldwolf Jul 2019 OP

I think that's for the best. Turin_C3PO Jul 2019 #1

Wait, what? madville Jul 2019 #2

Apparently. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #4

Yeah. Kahuna7 Jul 2019 #27

Ikr.. what's wrong with this picture? Cha Jul 2019 #36

Just like the Medicare for all. Still not sure what side she is on. FloridaBlues Jul 2019 #46

No. Blue_true Jul 2019 #62

Cool story brah. John Fante Jul 2019 #179

Whatever. Reality is often a cool story. Have a good life. nt Blue_true Jul 2019 #183

Busing has been a dead issue for decades, why keep bringing it up? George II Jul 2019 #3

Court-mandated school busing mostly got a lot of Republicans elected sop Jul 2019 #78

Busing pissed off a lot of African Americans, too. George II Jul 2019 #80

Yes. Having your kids terrorized by white mobs can have that effect StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #87

That wasn't it. I grew up in New York City, and busing was almost unanimously opposed.... George II Jul 2019 #90

Busing poor underserved blacks to Buzz cook Jul 2019 #92

He lives in an ivory tower...we stopped pursuing this policy because it made things worse and, Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #108

"You couldn't be elected dog catcher" Buzz cook Jul 2019 #160

Oh so now I am not a liberal because I don't want to lose the election over a 40 year old Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #185

You take offense far too easily Buzz cook Jul 2019 #189

white flight into other completely separated school districts ended the practice, no way schools beachbum bob Jul 2019 #118

White flight was a response to desegregation and predated busing StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #128

white flight exploded after desegration forced bsuing was being enacted beachbum bob Jul 2019 #144

That didn't happen in my city. cwydro Jul 2019 #103

Boston wasn't a pilot project StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #112

In the 80's ...the busing of black children almost resulted in attempted murder as someone Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #186

You're surely not blaming domestic terrorism on busing? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #188

These were people opposed to busing...and yes they were domestic terrorists...but the policy was Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #190

What was YOUR point? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #191

My point was even going into the 80's busing was a divisive failed policy...and in 2007 busing Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #192

The fact that some resorted to violence to stop busing isn't an effective argument against busing StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #193

. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #142

Busing served its purpose BeyondGeography Jul 2019 #5

Yes customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #30

Lol. Thank you. cwydro Jul 2019 #104

Busing's not to blame for that StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #113

Bollocks. cwydro Jul 2019 #114

Well I guess that settles it StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #116

well, it served Kamala Harris's purpose last week. Just not this week. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #31

+10000000000 millions of agree. No way to say it better. NT emmaverybo Jul 2019 #53

and that's how the media works now. And she knows it. AlexSFCA Jul 2019 #59

+1 Galraedia Jul 2019 #95

What will they do with the t-shirts? Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #109

I knew she would say that soon. She's not dumb enough to leave the murder weapon lying around. marylandblue Jul 2019 #6

I wish I'd said that! Mme. Defarge Jul 2019 #56

I wish I'd said that! Mme. Defarge Jul 2019 #58

Funny that's what Joe said 44 years ago ucrdem Jul 2019 #7

You are dead wrong. Blue_true Jul 2019 #65

Hardly. Biden called for those same remedies and more ucrdem Jul 2019 #69

Biden worked on legistlation with segregationists. Blue_true Jul 2019 #71

Well she would have to if she was serious about it. ucrdem Jul 2019 #79

Her solution to the problem of school integration is nuanced. Blue_true Jul 2019 #93

Okay thank you, but that is the position Biden argued in 1975. ucrdem Jul 2019 #97

He crafted a bill, co-written with segregationists. Blue_true Jul 2019 #170

Can you give me a link to this legislation? ucrdem Jul 2019 #171

You find the link. It is history. Liberal democrats and some northern republicans Blue_true Jul 2019 #177

Alrighty then! Time to enjoy some fireworks! ucrdem Jul 2019 #178

Some people ask for links just to stall, divert and make you do additional work EffieBlack Jul 2019 #180

Good point. The bill that Biden co-wrote is part of the congressional record, Blue_true Jul 2019 #182

Really? I don't think so...she used it to score a hit in a debate when it was no longer Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #110

She pointed out the fact of what Joe did. Blue_true Jul 2019 #172

That's too much work to try to understand StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #173

Everyone worked with segregationists in those days...they controlled the comittees...but Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #184

Biden co-wrote a bill to ban the only solution to entrenched school segregation. Blue_true Jul 2019 #187

So racism in housing is gone? That's great news. Who knew? redstateblues Jul 2019 #86

In many places it is. Blue_true Jul 2019 #91

Yeah, this. rusty quoin Jul 2019 #102

Yeah, I have to admit that I am surprised by my county, then maybe not. Blue_true Jul 2019 #174

This is quite disappointing because that was exactly what Biden's position was, and he was maligned still_one Jul 2019 #8

sigh crazytown Jul 2019 #11

Not where it was court ordered ucrdem Jul 2019 #14

That is why he was seeking a constitutional amendment crazytown Jul 2019 #16

To end federally mandated busing where it wasn't court ordered. ucrdem Jul 2019 #20

I disagree crazytown Jul 2019 #22

A little late for that. ucrdem Jul 2019 #26

It has damaged the Democratic party for the general election for sure. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #28

But trump won't notice ucrdem Jul 2019 #32

Yeah - and the Party has to minimize the damage. crazytown Jul 2019 #33

Not so fast. ucrdem Jul 2019 #34

Harris is at heart a New Democrat, crazytown Jul 2019 #35

You got it! ucrdem Jul 2019 #37

... crazytown Jul 2019 #39

Trump has already pumped the race well dry. Blue_true Jul 2019 #73

It has been pointed out over and over. Blue_true Jul 2019 #70

No, federally mandated and court-ordered were two separate issues. ucrdem Jul 2019 #123

Care to explain how court ordered and federally mandated were separate things? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #130

Court ordered addressed systematic segregation. Federally mandated was tied to federal funding. ucrdem Jul 2019 #133

That's not how it worked. StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #157

If that were true Harris just rejected all current consent decrees. They aren't the same thing. nt ucrdem Jul 2019 #167

Sounds like you don't know what a consent decree is, either StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #175

LOL. Have a nice 4th! ucrdem Jul 2019 #176

Now you understand how some people hang on to the Lost Cause. Blue_true Jul 2019 #169

Now that Harris disowns it. NT emmaverybo Jul 2019 #64

Biden voted for a bill that segregationists wrote. Blue_true Jul 2019 #68

Yes she usurped while it served her, & now discards it once she onetexan Jul 2019 #13

Yep. Apology. Joe deserves apology from Harris, Booker, Linda Flores , moderators who allowed emmaverybo Jul 2019 #55

No it was not. The basic reasons for segregation are different today. Blue_true Jul 2019 #66

It's the right thing to say, crazytown Jul 2019 #9

If Steve Kornacki had a chart showing which Dem candidate had oasis Jul 2019 #10

maybe she misheard her statements to Joe Biden? wyldwolf Jul 2019 #12

Then maybe she should start learning "doublespeak". oasis Jul 2019 #15

There was an OP here earlier today suggesting that perhaps Joe Biden has a "hearing problem". still_one Jul 2019 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author oasis Jul 2019 #21

Could have signs of premature deafness if we subscribe to the medically tone deaf stereotype of emmaverybo Jul 2019 #60

How does she reconcile today's statement with Sunday's ? MichMan Jul 2019 #17

Geez. This was a rookie mistake by her. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #18

Well something positive to look at is now the twitterverse and cable Kahuna7 Jul 2019 #38

That rookie mistake is insignificant crazytown Jul 2019 #45

She has already backtracked on that as well madville Jul 2019 #105

Today's solution could involve a package. Blue_true Jul 2019 #75

So Harris agrees with Biden now? Princetonian Jul 2019 #23

Get that! Kahuna7 Jul 2019 #25

It might change next week. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #29

I hope she gets asked that 10,000 times. Nt BootinUp Jul 2019 #24

Interesting. highplainsdem Jul 2019 #40

Yeah, start fining the hell out of localities that draw boundaries and Hoyt Jul 2019 #41

Sadly, it's clear that far too many Democrats have no interest in the facts StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #44

The last week has been quite enlightening and disappointing. Hoyt Jul 2019 #48

Busing was never mandatory StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #42

so your fallback is court-mandated busing was... a myth? wyldwolf Jul 2019 #43

No. Busing wasn't mandated. Desegregation through school reassignment was StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #47

+10000000000000 Hoyt Jul 2019 #49

you realize you just "+10000000000000" complete BS, right? wyldwolf Jul 2019 #51

Court ordered yes, but not mandatory still_one Jul 2019 #67

Wikipedia? EffieBlack Jul 2019 #81

Are you saying it wasn't court ordered? Wasn't the whole thing left up to the courts to determine still_one Jul 2019 #82

Desegregation plans that included busing as one of the tools were ordered EffieBlack Jul 2019 #84

"The courts didn't order students to be bused." YES they did wyldwolf Jul 2019 #137

Citing to descriptions of cases (with no sourcing) StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #152

Did or didn't these judges mandate busing? wyldwolf Jul 2019 #154

They mandated the school create and implement desegregation plans StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #155

The judges spefically mandated busing wyldwolf Jul 2019 #156

I'm not going to keep arguing with you about this. StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #158

Good wyldwolf Jul 2019 #162

I've seen some spin on DU. but never "court-ordered doesn't mean mandatory" - type BS wyldwolf Jul 2019 #135

I think the argument being made by some is that Brown Vs The Board of Education never said that still_one Jul 2019 #143

No one "opened up busing as an ideal solution to school desegregation" StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #153

I think that is a great question. Audi Cornish from NPR suggested a couple, magnet schools, still_one Jul 2019 #164

Magnet schools are a good idea, but they didn't work well then because of residential segregation StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #165

Thank you for the insights Starfish. There is no doubt that much of the progress made, has slowly still_one Jul 2019 #181

I'm not sure why you folks can't see past the "busing" to the underlying issue. Hoyt Jul 2019 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Jul 2019 #131

The underlying issue is Biden has a solid record on Civil Rights. Not sure why Democrats emulatorloo Jul 2019 #136

So... wyldwolf Jul 2019 #50

I suggest you read the case you're citing StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #76

+10000000000000 EffieBlack Jul 2019 #85

There was nothing in that Wikipedia reference or LA Times reference that contradicted anything you still_one Jul 2019 #96

As a clinical chemist and software engineer, you probably know quite a bit about your field EffieBlack Jul 2019 #159

I understand your point Effie, but that's how people learn, of course they have to be willing to still_one Jul 2019 #166

I suggest you get a firmer grasp on recent history wyldwolf Jul 2019 #134

My source was the case itself. You should read it. StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #140

Ok, like I said. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #148

Since the district transferred me to a school 5 miles away,how was I expected to get there and back? MichMan Jul 2019 #57

How would you like to have been stuck in a separate, but unequal school, so white folks didn't have Hoyt Jul 2019 #74

IKR? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #83

I understand the bus ride was inconvenient for you StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #77

The statement was made that no one was ever forced to take a bus MichMan Jul 2019 #98

What would have been a better alternative for desegregating the schools in your community? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #111

Ready, fire, aim! RHMerriman Jul 2019 #52

Different times, need different solutions. Blue_true Jul 2019 #54

And there you go! peggysue2 Jul 2019 #61

And slavery reparations. Another loser. nt Kahuna7 Jul 2019 #119

Another walkback Zambero Jul 2019 #63

Why busing didn't end school segregation: still_one Jul 2019 #88

Makes one wonder if someone has any core values - OhZone Jul 2019 #89

She's making the same argument Biden made 50 YEARS AGO Galraedia Jul 2019 #94

Busing was court ordered Buzz cook Jul 2019 #99

Brown Vs The Board of Education was an important decision to disallow establishing racial still_one Jul 2019 #106

Did Kamala just agreed with what Biden's position was in the 1970s? Vegas Roller Jul 2019 #100

Right down to the nuances. ucrdem Jul 2019 #101

So much for 'I was that girl'. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #107

Why are they still bickering over this a week later? Indygram Jul 2019 #115

LOL, this article is about Harris, not Biden. nt ucrdem Jul 2019 #117

I just wish they would both knock it off and move on Indygram Jul 2019 #120

Once it gets into the press it's out of both their hands. It's here to stay I'm afraid. ucrdem Jul 2019 #122

I disagree that it's here to stay due to the press Indygram Jul 2019 #127

They will get asked relentlessly, it will come up in the debates, the NYT will drone on and on ucrdem Jul 2019 #129

In politics, you don't get to smack someone with impunity wyldwolf Jul 2019 #139

Bottom line: Harris handed Joe a GE victory by making him the man who killed busing ucrdem Jul 2019 #121

that's a great observation KayF Jul 2019 #124

I think she'd make a great VP. They would be quite a team! ucrdem Jul 2019 #125

Wow. Seriously? Kamala is not ready for prime time. Goodheart Jul 2019 #126

Warren is the better candidate of the two, definitely wyldwolf Jul 2019 #138

Oh my ... epic flip-flop nt NYMinute Jul 2019 #132

David Axelrod wyldwolf Jul 2019 #141

Other outlets are now pursuing this: still_one Jul 2019 #145

Exactly! What was it all about?! R B Garr Jul 2019 #150

Joe offends someone, they owe him an apology. Someone offends Joe, they owe him an apology. EffieBlack Jul 2019 #161

Funny, I see the pattern as bag on Joe to score points no R B Garr Jul 2019 #163

I saw her comments regarding this and she did answer it adeptly. She ended with it should be in the UniteFightBack Jul 2019 #146

This message was self-deleted by its author Politicub Jul 2019 #147

Harris should stop beating a dead horse. Midwestocrat Jul 2019 #149

She opened up the can wyldwolf Jul 2019 #151

It would seem so. Cha Jul 2019 #168