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144. The Nation Wanted to go to War

Fri Jul 5, 2019, 02:08 PM

Jul 2019

The Bush administration lied us into war and used 9/11 as a pretext. Everyone who was against it was labeled as un-American and as hating America. Biden was up for re-election less than a month after Republicans forced the vote in October of 2002. Republicans still controlled every branch of the federal government until 2007. The American people were fine with the Iraq war until they weren't. Biden went with what the people that voted for him wanted and the problem is that people are stupid.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Joe Biden Says He Won't Use Dem Opponents' Past Against Them: [View all] Kahuna7 Jul 2019 OP

Is that politician-speak for "Stop talking about my record" ? bluewater Jul 2019 #1

sure sounds like it... pangaia Jul 2019 #5

Well, the poster Got it Wrong... Cha Jul 2019 #221

. George II Jul 2019 #6

... Zambero Jul 2019 #43

Double smack onetexan Jul 2019 #77

IKR? Cary Jul 2019 #131

Yes, he knows the other front runners don't have a political career that goes Autumn Jul 2019 #9

Exactly. They all lack experience. LakeArenal Jul 2019 #226

Exactly. He can't go back 30 or 40 years because most of them were what..like 15? Autumn Jul 2019 #228

Yes not enough experience. LakeArenal Jul 2019 #229

Yes not even in politics yet. So basicly promising he won't do something he can't do. Autumn Jul 2019 #234

You say potato, I say 🤷🏼‍♀️ LakeArenal Jul 2019 #239

Yes. A trifle convenient, no? stopbush Jul 2019 #10

Yes ONE example Andy823 Jul 2019 #68

But none from Biden. Butterflylady Jul 2019 #100

Yep mcar Jul 2019 #120

Oh please!! Why don't you post something + about your candidate. Biden is being a fair player Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #124

lol, he could have easily walloped Harris right back. R B Garr Jul 2019 #16

He was a public defender for a few months, till he got another law firm job. Demit Jul 2019 #73

So what, she was never a public defender. R B Garr Jul 2019 #76

I'd love to know his record as a public defender. Since he brought it up. Demit Jul 2019 #83

Public defender vs prosecutor. That is the immediate contrast. R B Garr Jul 2019 #85

Public defender: a job Biden held so briefly you never heard about it before this. Demit Jul 2019 #92

Why wasn't Harris a public defender? R B Garr Jul 2019 #95

She ran for the Office no less....she sought it AncientGeezer Jul 2019 #103

lol, just a quick headline shows she fought public defenders... R B Garr Jul 2019 #107

Is it your contention... tonedevil Jul 2019 #108

It's a simple contrast. R B Garr Jul 2019 #111

You don't actually know their desires. tonedevil Jul 2019 #127

You were asking about me. How laughable that you R B Garr Jul 2019 #134

Wanting to be a Prosecutor... tonedevil Jul 2019 #143

Prosecutors put people in jail. R B Garr Jul 2019 #149

OK /nt tonedevil Jul 2019 #153

Harris was an ADA in the District Attorney's office for years before running for the top job. Demit Jul 2019 #165

Busing is a useless issue to voters . 40 year old issues R B Garr Jul 2019 #166

If Biden did any good as a public defender I'd love to hear it. I'm all ears. Demit Jul 2019 #176

How utterly inane to distract with fabrications about R B Garr Jul 2019 #196

I didn't fabricate anything, nor did I say that he surely didn't do a good job. Demit Jul 2019 #202

You are completely distracting with your own fabrications. R B Garr Jul 2019 #206

Sen. Harris ran for the D.A.'s office....she sought it. An elected position. AncientGeezer Jul 2019 #106

Oh, yes, I thought you were saying she wanted to be a R B Garr Jul 2019 #113

Believe it or not. It is a lot harder to get a job as a prosecutor than it is as a public defender. Blue_true Jul 2019 #203

That wasn't the point. It's not about which job is harder R B Garr Jul 2019 #204

But Biden parried back at Harris by pointing out that he was a public defender Blue_true Jul 2019 #212

Your fabrications are not part of the discussion, R B Garr Jul 2019 #214

She was a prosecutor??!! mcar Jul 2019 #121

Bazinga! Let's throw out our entire Criminal Justice system! Viva la Revolution! bluewater Jul 2019 #160

Yeah, lock em up! U betcha R B Garr Jul 2019 #161

Those who truly deserve it? mcar Jul 2019 #179

How could he play the big bad wolf to her "little girl?" She does have baggage, but he won't be emmaverybo Jul 2019 #230

'Zactly. shanny Jul 2019 #17

I think he's saying he won't talk about his opponents' pasts... Politicub Jul 2019 #33

Pretty much loyalsister Jul 2019 #41

lol you think an x republican has no record ? stonecutter357 Jul 2019 #56

She freely talks about it. progressoid Jul 2019 #89

I know in the 80's how bad republican were ! stonecutter357 Jul 2019 #93

No, it's politician speak for 'I Won't Lie About Other Democrats' emulatorloo Jul 2019 #63

.. Cha Jul 2019 #191

Or mischaracterize purposefully. LakeArenal Jul 2019 #227

Yup. I... zentrum Jul 2019 #87

That is such a stretch!! Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #128

No, it's called integrity. Butterflylady Jul 2019 #98

Bingo!! Good luck with that Joe!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #118

He doesn't want to go through this again... progressoid Jul 2019 #126

That's actually Biden's style but I wouldn't Cha Jul 2019 #190

I am willing to give him a break on past mistakes if he can explain how Blue_true Jul 2019 #201

NO.. you got it Wrong Again about Joe Biden.. Cha Jul 2019 #220

He has been guided by integrity and principal in his dealing with friends and rivals alike his emmaverybo Jul 2019 #231

His civil rights record is stronger because... Kahuna7 Jul 2019 #236

OMG. You are right! NT emmaverybo Jul 2019 #238

I honestly don't think our candidates should be referred to derisively as "politicians." gulliver Jul 2019 #244

That's what I'd infer if the candidate I supported was getting spanked... LanternWaste Jul 2019 #248

A veiled threat there...he won't do it but others might. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #2

One of the reasons many of us love him is that we don't even need to consider having him..... SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #3

The one who bragged that he was the FIRST to sign it was the first to break it. George II Jul 2019 #7

Truth! OhZone Jul 2019 #44

He did sign it, of course. namahage Jul 2019 #62

No brainer for him. We know that. NT SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #114

Joe Biden: "I want all the advantages of 45 years in politics, but none of the associated baggage." True Dough Jul 2019 #4

So is Mayor Pete's, and proportionally he now has a lot more baggage than Biden does. George II Jul 2019 #12

And another major difference is that Pete is taking complete ownership True Dough Jul 2019 #14

Sorry, I disagree on both points. George II Jul 2019 #20

It's a discussion forum True Dough Jul 2019 #24

It's not baggage to tell black voters to their faces that he's R B Garr Jul 2019 #21

Of course those things happen True Dough Jul 2019 #25

Or some can exploit it, twist it, and rub it in, fully knowing R B Garr Jul 2019 #27

Life is full of those types True Dough Jul 2019 #32

So talking about things that are deliberately taken R B Garr Jul 2019 #52

I've seen plenty of disagreement from longstanding members of this forum True Dough Jul 2019 #57

What's interesting is that Harris is now pleading for R B Garr Jul 2019 #60

Harris only had a moment on the debate stage to put Joe on the spot True Dough Jul 2019 #65

Flat out wrong according to her campaign. She planned it R B Garr Jul 2019 #72

Read more carefully True Dough Jul 2019 #74

She had many moments. I saw her speaking for awhile. R B Garr Jul 2019 #78

When you accuse someone of spreading misinformation True Dough Jul 2019 #81

Harris fully planned her attack and had plenty of time R B Garr Jul 2019 #84

"...and had plenty of time to deliver it." True Dough Jul 2019 #88

LOL, that is after the debate. She made comments R B Garr Jul 2019 #90

"After a heated Twitter exchange between the Biden and Harris campaigns True Dough Jul 2019 #96

She has been challenged on her new input, and wanted to make R B Garr Jul 2019 #97

Axelrod was a key player in Obama's campaign True Dough Jul 2019 #112

Well, in this particular exchange, he is vindicated by the R B Garr Jul 2019 #117

There are several more debates to come True Dough Jul 2019 #119

I don't think a 40-year old issue that is not on people's R B Garr Jul 2019 #129

There's a wealth of outstanding Dem candidates True Dough Jul 2019 #136

If they are so outstanding, then no need to bring up 40-year R B Garr Jul 2019 #152

It all can be done: discussing the past, present and future True Dough Jul 2019 #157

And then there's the Obama years. VP to a wildly popular R B Garr Jul 2019 #159

Well, since you're changing the subject Kirsten Gillibrand True Dough Jul 2019 #162

I think harris, and those that continue to try and keep a 40+ yr old issue alive says a lot Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #142

I'd dare say that was the first salvo in a long campaign True Dough Jul 2019 #148

Not really a salvo though. More like a manipulative distraction R B Garr Jul 2019 #163

Premature to say backfiring True Dough Jul 2019 #164

It's pretty obvious the main objection to Joe is he's R B Garr Jul 2019 #168

It was the defining moment of the debate True Dough Jul 2019 #169

That's what I mean, he could have brought up her record, R B Garr Jul 2019 #171

Well, that's Joe's decision to make True Dough Jul 2019 #172

I don't think I've ever heard a candidate say she R B Garr Jul 2019 #175

You keep insisting it doesn't affect current voters True Dough Jul 2019 #178

She had to manipulate a useless 40-year old issue R B Garr Jul 2019 #195

We need to focus on today, tomorrow and everything from the candidates' past True Dough Jul 2019 #197

Now we're saddled with an inflammatory and useless R B Garr Jul 2019 #199

Busing won't be a lingering issue for much longer, IMO True Dough Jul 2019 #200

She might have just put a target on her back, though. R B Garr Jul 2019 #208

That's the thing about debates True Dough Jul 2019 #211

DU isn't the only one talking about "backtracking".. Cha Jul 2019 #222

"Althou a crowded debate stage was not the ideal place" need anyone say anymore Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #138

It was fair game True Dough Jul 2019 #141

She actually was allowed to go way overtime. NT emmaverybo Jul 2019 #237

And do ya really think busing is a winning issue? Geez last I knew health care was #1 Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #133

I just finished typing this post True Dough Jul 2019 #139

Its not just busing jromans Jul 2019 #205

When did she "make it seem like Biden was passing legislation that was inherently racist"? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #215

When that started with Pete, people here stopped it and the press also desisted. I am not a emmaverybo Jul 2019 #233

And how is that meaningful? He knew early in his term that cops were saying racist stuff... Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #29

"I don't see much happening now with the police shooting." True Dough Jul 2019 #38

Almost 7 years after he knew their was an issue...and no offense...here in Ohio the investigate Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #40

same old dodgy spin you have been trying for months Celerity Jul 2019 #50

It will all be for naught if Pete can't get above 0% redstateblues Jul 2019 #61

I agree.I unfortunately think the shooting tragedy is going to be the coffin nail probably for him Celerity Jul 2019 #71

It wasn't an attack...I don't think he handled this properly...sure I get about the illegal part Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #102

new investigation over what? The Boykins wiretapping thing is still being litigated, and there will Celerity Jul 2019 #105

It is being litigated about releasing the information...why not another investigation? Why not a Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #109

as I stated before, there is so far no legal evidence that the cops did what Boykins accused them of Celerity Jul 2019 #115

Why not unseal the records then? Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #182

they cannot be unsealed until a court orders them unsealed, so far the controlling Celerity Jul 2019 #185

He is in his second term. He could have been working on it... Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #186

its been in the courts hands (from state to federal and now back to state) for years Celerity Jul 2019 #187

I said they were illegal...but the fact was illegal or not, he knew there was a problem and did Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #99

no one other than Boykins and the coms director, and maybe the FBI/and Feds have actually heard Celerity Jul 2019 #110

Yup, that's a problem for Pete, it's a black mark on his record, marylandblue Jul 2019 #184

Not hiding anything but as this post has shown...warts are in the eye of the beholder. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #188

Yes. This. It's what is so refreshing and modern about Buttigieg. Politicub Jul 2019 #37

I don't get that and I like Buttigieg...smart and all...but the simplest thing in the world is to Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #47

Yes, it should be the simplest thing in the world. So Politicub Jul 2019 #59

Because it is not meaningful...and why in the world would Biden accept responsibility for trumped up Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #104

I'll be on my way. We differ philosophically so I don't Politicub Jul 2019 #147

Fair enough. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #181

He owns he fired the police chief. He has never said it was a mistake to fire a very popular police emmaverybo Jul 2019 #125

lol, the "good luck" is more needed to convince people R B Garr Jul 2019 #18

+1000 bluewater Jul 2019 #22

Yep. Chitown Kev Jul 2019 #49

Yup its called vetting & no candidate should be allowed to hide from his or her record. Nice try Joe InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #123

Exactly. Are we supposed to think that if Trump won't bring up his record? Clash City Rocker Jul 2019 #252

Of course, is only fair... if Joe can't respond to fellow Democrats re his record... InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #253

Mistakes in a person's record are far less important than experience. gulliver Jul 2019 #245

Mistakes in a person's record are far less important than experience. True Dough Jul 2019 #246

Uh... he just did. dchill Jul 2019 #8

Yes he did. nt zackymilly Jul 2019 #64

Good for Joe. mac56 Jul 2019 #11

Exactly! OhZone Jul 2019 #45

We had better focus on the task at hand. democratisphere Jul 2019 #13

That is fine just stop self inflicted wounds. gordianot Jul 2019 #15

Does that mean he's going to stop talking about his past record, too? EffieBlack Jul 2019 #19

He can't have it both ways mcar Jul 2019 #132

And many of them haven't limited their attacks to her past career EffieBlack Jul 2019 #193

It's revolting mcar Jul 2019 #194

Neither can she. nt Kahuna7 Jul 2019 #243

Joe, I certainly hope you won't have need to break that promise, but I also hope you're not... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2019 #23

One of the reasons he probably isnt going to win... Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #26

"The problem with Bernie is he is just to dicisive" bahrbearian Jul 2019 #58

As we've seen, there are plenty of skeletons in other candidate's closets wyldwolf Jul 2019 #28

Those skeletons will come out, but Joe won't be the one to release them. nt Kahuna7 Jul 2019 #35

Exactly. I just read one of the truancy arrests of a black female R B Garr Jul 2019 #48

You know what they say about people in glass houses...... Kahuna7 Jul 2019 #53

Amen. I've heard of those stories but ignored them, but R B Garr Jul 2019 #54

There are some particulary nasty attacks against KH Kahuna7 Jul 2019 #55

And they are not coming from Biden.. he did in fact defend her on twitter...more than once!! Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #146

Link? mcar Jul 2019 #135

Google the politicians name and War on Truancy R B Garr Jul 2019 #137

I have read several articles about Harris and her prosecutorial career mcar Jul 2019 #140

Apparently you didn't Google it R B Garr Jul 2019 #145

Google this highplainsdem Jul 2019 #192

In my best Geraldine Jones voice: Kahuna7 Jul 2019 #232

Be amazing if she did a "this was that little sick girl you left without a caretaker." See how emmaverybo Jul 2019 #235

And it is usually twisted treestar Jul 2019 #39

no, it's not usually twisted wyldwolf Jul 2019 #80

No kidding. highplainsdem Jul 2019 #189

He's right about how things should not be taken out of context. Politicub Jul 2019 #30

Yet there are complaints treestar Jul 2019 #36

Does he want to run on experience but not on his record? shanny Jul 2019 #31

Circular firing squads, if unchecked, will concentrate on all top contenders. empedocles Jul 2019 #42

I looked forward to your treestar Jul 2019 #51

Yeah when the half-truth smear campaigns start against Warren and Harris, I doubt many emulatorloo Jul 2019 #69

+1 and I've pushed back on all those Warren attacks treestar Jul 2019 #207

Same here. I'm here to defeat Trump. emulatorloo Jul 2019 #224

LOL - A post battle royale! Politicub Jul 2019 #82

"her schoolmarm air"? seriously? shanny Jul 2019 #156

I don't see how you are calmly and collectedly treestar Jul 2019 #209

You don't know me from Adam and you certainly don't know shanny Jul 2019 #217

I don't see why it has to be negative treestar Jul 2019 #240

That's fine. shanny Jul 2019 #247

No, he doesn't want to lie about other Democrats and smear them with half-truths emulatorloo Jul 2019 #66

Yes!! He wans to run on his record. A record of civil rights, women's rights, LBGQt rights Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #150

I agree. treestar Jul 2019 #34

Go Joe! OhZone Jul 2019 #46

Are we stuck on what happened over a 20minute period last week? RandySF Jul 2019 #67

YES!! At least some are here... it should be a dead issue Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #151

Another way of saying "Leave me alone" Jakes Progress Jul 2019 #70

Another way of saying "I won't lie about my fellow Democrats by dishonesty misrepresenting their emulatorloo Jul 2019 #75

Tell me the lie being told about Biden by fellow Democrats. Jakes Progress Jul 2019 #79

Insinuating Biden is a racist segregationist is a lie. emulatorloo Jul 2019 #86

I don't think that is what happened. Jakes Progress Jul 2019 #91

Sure emulatorloo Jul 2019 #94

Your talking point is dishonest. Buzz cook Jul 2019 #213

This has been explained ad nauseum StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #216

Biden was portrayed as a racist with a pre-planned attack by Harris during the debate... Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #116

Busing and t-shirts!! Now there's some issues that will excite the average voter!! Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #154

Haha ...isn't that the truth...busing...a modern exciting topic... Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #180

Oh yes.. modern issue indeed! Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #218

You seem to have missed the debate. Jakes Progress Jul 2019 #249

I watched the debate...i heard every word.it was a hit job. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #250

No, that's Not true.. Biden has already Cha Jul 2019 #219

Our Democratic candidates should not tear each other down, BUT ... Martin Eden Jul 2019 #101

The Nation Wanted to go to War Galraedia Jul 2019 #144

What you describe is the worst kind of politician and failure of leadership Martin Eden Jul 2019 #167

Biden's own son was sent to Iraq Galraedia Jul 2019 #174

"It was only later that they found out that they were lied to" Martin Eden Jul 2019 #177

What Church Lady said BeyondGeography Jul 2019 #122

I'm not buying that 100% and I'll tell you why. PatrickforO Jul 2019 #130

I was really impressed with Buttigieg's answer, too StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #198

"It's no FAIR to judge me on what I've said and done" DasMadchen Jul 2019 #155

They really aren't relevant BUT Joe's inability to apologize (see the fascist) is BAD toofold4this Jul 2019 #158

Apologize for what? For a position 40 years ago that apparently Harris now supports. Those who don't Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #183

He doesn't need to. Deb Jul 2019 #170

He may not for right now not that won't stop other candidates from going after. FloridaBlues Jul 2019 #173

Smart enough to know he is in a glass house. nt HopeAgain Jul 2019 #210

This is for all those accusing Biden of trying to Duck Cha Jul 2019 #223

Joe Biden Is The Only Democrat With A Clear Advantage Over Trump In New Poll Gothmog Jul 2019 #225

"Hey guys, let's not look at our histories, OK? Deal?"...nt SidDithers Jul 2019 #241

What's sauce for the goose..... nt Kahuna7 Jul 2019 #242

I agree with Joe! True Blue American Jul 2019 #251