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22. Berkeley schools were never segregated. If you think they were, prove it. nt

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Sun Jul 7, 2019, 07:30 PM

Jul 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Kamala Harris stops short of fully accepting Joe Biden's apology: 'We cannot rewrite history' [View all] Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2019 OP

This is a losing issue for you Kamala and for the Democratic Party redstateblues Jul 2019 #1

She's giving them ammunition calguy Jul 2019 #4

Curious ... does she find anything that Trump says about what he was doing RHMerriman Jul 2019 #31

Kamala is out to win nomination and must knockout Biden at140 Jul 2019 #51

and Warren needs to step up her game AlexSFCA Jul 2019 #52

Yes, front runner receives the most flak at140 Jul 2019 #61

Funny, I thought the point was to win the election in November. RHMerriman Jul 2019 #53

Cart before the Horse! at140 Jul 2019 #60

Allies couldn't win in 1945 if the Soviets were defeated in 1942... RHMerriman Jul 2019 #66

And your point is? at140 Jul 2019 #69

Focus on the real enemy? RHMerriman Jul 2019 #76

Too early for that, the prize is just too important at140 Jul 2019 #91

Set aside personal ambition in favor of the common good? RHMerriman Jul 2019 #106

Nice concept, but rarely has happened before! at140 Jul 2019 #108

Given the stakes, perhaps it should? RHMerriman Jul 2019 #110

Accept the reality as it exists at140 Jul 2019 #113

Trust me, there's one Democratic incumbent I won't be voting for next time around... RHMerriman Jul 2019 #114

I don't have too much use for any Democrat who refuses to look oasis Jul 2019 #109

You are not alone... RHMerriman Jul 2019 #111

It is not necessary to knockout someone else treestar Jul 2019 #81

How many opponents Hillary had during primaries? at140 Jul 2019 #90

Fight for it on their merits treestar Jul 2019 #96

+1 treestar Jul 2019 #8

K&R onetexan Jul 2019 #57

Yes indeed. And this is not a good thing. Owl Jul 2019 #87

A lot of folk must believe that EffieBlack Jul 2019 #88

I saw her answer this morning on MSNBC. Yes, we can't rewrite history, but isn't she expecting... George II Jul 2019 #2

How so? bluewater Jul 2019 #3

She expects him to believe her hard luck story. ucrdem Jul 2019 #5

"she didn't desegregate Thousand Oaks elementary. It was never segregated." bluewater Jul 2019 #9

Thousand Oaks had a 2.1% AA student population the year before the busing program started. ucrdem Jul 2019 #11

You made a statement that the elementary school was never segregated. bluewater Jul 2019 #13

It wasn't segregated. It had a mixed student population. ucrdem Jul 2019 #17

So you can't provide actual data? bluewater Jul 2019 #21

Berkeley schools were never segregated. If you think they were, prove it. nt ucrdem Jul 2019 #22

Thanks! Cha Jul 2019 #24

Heya Cha! ucrdem Jul 2019 #25

Go Cha Jul 2019 #26

LOL ucrdem Jul 2019 #29

That's not how it works. YOU are the one making the claims. bluewater Jul 2019 #27

See below. ucrdem Jul 2019 #28

I was wrong -- it was 3% at Thousand Oaks in 1963, before Harris was even born ucrdem Jul 2019 #23

"while other schools had a black population as high as 97%" wtf! bluewater Jul 2019 #30

There was no systematic segregation and no lawsuit against it. There was unequal distribution ucrdem Jul 2019 #32

So you were wrong and are now moving the goal posts? bluewater Jul 2019 #33

In the context of busing, there was no determination of systematic segregation. ucrdem Jul 2019 #34

Your claim that Berkley schools were never segregated was wrong. bluewater Jul 2019 #36

Show me the consent decree compelling Berkeley to desegregate and you win. ucrdem Jul 2019 #37

The courts didn't get involved because, unlike many other cities Berkeley desegregated voluntarily StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #40

The school was still segregated when Harris started attending it. bluewater Jul 2019 #42

Per NYT the school was 40.2 percent AA the year before Harris got there: ucrdem Jul 2019 #45

The school was desegregated between 1968 and 1969 thanks to the busing program. bluewater Jul 2019 #54

It was at 40.2% AA per NYT, 37% per Sac Bee, the year before she started in 1970. nt ucrdem Jul 2019 #49

Again, Desegregated between 1968 and 1969 thanks to the busing program bluewater Jul 2019 #55

So she desegregated an unsegregated school while attending Montessori. ucrdem Jul 2019 #56

Facts are stubborn things, Harris helped desegregate her school. bluewater Jul 2019 #62

Yes thank you. It appears to have been a great success! ucrdem Jul 2019 #43

If you knew Berkeley, 58Sunliner Jul 2019 #63

Exactly. ucrdem Jul 2019 #67

No. No. No StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #73

By the way-those predominantly black schools had white students. 58Sunliner Jul 2019 #115

Very good point. ucrdem Jul 2019 #116

Thousand Oaks was 40.2% AA in 1969, the year BEFORE Harris was first bused there: ucrdem Jul 2019 #38

Harris did help desegregate it. It's explained in your own article. bluewater Jul 2019 #44

It was fully integrated the year before she got there. ucrdem Jul 2019 #46

a WHOLE year? A distinction without a difference? bluewater Jul 2019 #47

I'd call 40.2% fully integrated. YMMV. nt ucrdem Jul 2019 #48

Because of the busing program she was a participant in. lol bluewater Jul 2019 #50

"It was fully integrated the year before she got there" StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #58

I am at a loss for words. bluewater Jul 2019 #64

It was *already* integrated. But more accurately ucrdem Jul 2019 #68

Segregation needn't be deliberate and systematic in order to exist and to be unconstitutional StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #71

It was never segregated at all if you want to get semantic. ucrdem Jul 2019 #74

As I said, you don't know enough about this to lecture anyone about "bottom lines" or anything else StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #75

Look in any dictionary.nt ucrdem Jul 2019 #77

Thanks for the definitive data. Now you're being told that R B Garr Jul 2019 #78

Thank you. I thought when she said it that it sounded peculiar ucrdem Jul 2019 #80

If that were the case Chitown Kev Jul 2019 #79

Well he is not to talk about things treestar Jul 2019 #10

I rather not joke about what 'those old segregationists" actually did. It's not funny. bluewater Jul 2019 #12

Yes, segregationists whose raison d'etre was to dehumanize black folks tishaLA Jul 2019 #16

Berkeley isn't in Mississippi. nt ucrdem Jul 2019 #19

Where did Sen Eastland hail from and who was it that tishaLA Jul 2019 #20

They are not going to go away treestar Jul 2019 #82

How is asking someone if think they were wrong about something in the past "rewriting history"? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #7

She will. ucrdem Jul 2019 #6

I'm in a world of hurt in anticipation of another Trump term. oasis Jul 2019 #14

Please Kamala, it's "between him and me" not "he and I." CTyankee Jul 2019 #15

All of what you said tishaLA Jul 2019 #18

Drives me crazy when educated people do that. cwydro Jul 2019 #39

That made my eyes roll back in my head. StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #72

Must've been a odd prosecutor whistler162 Jul 2019 #35

The Innocence Project has been going after Harris' prosecutions for years. ucrdem Jul 2019 #41

Just ask her why she could not advocate for victims of church abuse. 58Sunliner Jul 2019 #59

Harris has a lot of skeletons that will make her an unviable candidate in a general election. Princetonian Jul 2019 #83

Yep.She gets the nom, it will be endless. And it will smell. 58Sunliner Jul 2019 #84

Something will smell, alright EffieBlack Jul 2019 #86

They will be shredding her over the Willie Brown machine. And not just because she dated him. 58Sunliner Jul 2019 #89

Uh-hunh. Nice research about Willie Brown - (that has nothing to do with Harris) EffieBlack Jul 2019 #92

I really did not have to look far for info. I was born in the Bay Area. 58Sunliner Jul 2019 #95

Don't fall for the ratfuck EffieBlack Jul 2019 #85

Disappointing reaction, but not surprising, given what I've learned about her recently. highplainsdem Jul 2019 #65

What have you learned? nt Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #93

Hang it up tirebiter Jul 2019 #70

I like Harris Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #94

When did Harris last talk about busing, not in response to a question? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #97

I hope so Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #98

"Media attention" - 'nuff said StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #101

She still could have accepted Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #102

She did accept his apology - in fact she said she applauded it StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #103

I'm not moving the goal posts Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #107

Harris is the one "Not letting this GO". Cha Jul 2019 #100

How is she not letting this go? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #104

If she thinks she can ride her debate performance and Biden was a segregationist like his pals emmaverybo Jul 2019 #105

So who is "not letting this GO"? Cha Jul 2019 #99

I just peeked. Nt BootinUp Jul 2019 #112