Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

Gothmog

(180,042 posts)
14. The Russians helped sanders a great deal by energizing the Neverhillary types
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 06:06 PM
Feb 2019

Putin and Russia flooded sites like JPR and other sanders sites with fake news to hurt Clinton https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-fake-news-russia_us_58c34d97e4b0ed71826cdb36

Last June, John Mattes started noticing something coursing like a virus through the Facebook page he helped administer for Bernie Sanders fans in San Diego. People with no apparent ties to California were friending the page and sharing links from unfamiliar sites full of anti-Hillary Clinton propaganda.

The stories they posted weren’t the normal complaints he was used to seeing as the Vermont senator and the former secretary of state fought out the Democratic presidential primary. These stories alleged that Clinton had murdered her political opponents and used body doubles.

Mattes, 66, had been a television reporter and Senate investigator in previous lives. He put his expertise in unmasking fraudsters to work. At first, he suspected that the sites were created by the old Clinton haters from the ‘90s ― what Hillary Clinton had dubbed “the vast right-wing conspiracy.”

But when Mattes started tracking down the sites’ domain registrations, the trail led to Macedonia and Albania. In mid-September, he emailed a few of his private investigator friends with a list of the sites. “Very creepy and i do not think Koch brothers,” he wrote.

At one point, JPR had a half dozen threads on the greatest page of that website pushing the pizzagate story. After being laughed at on DU, the JPR site eventually ban pizzagate stories which were replaced by numerous other stories from Russia including some claiming that Clinton was dying

See also Russia Duped Bernie Fans via Facebook, San Diego Dems Toldhttps://timesofsandiego.com/politics/2017/03/23/russia-duped-bernie-fans-via-facebook-san-diego-dems-told/
Oliver Mitov was dispatched by the Kremlin to get Bernie Sanders fans to vote third-party in the November election, write in the Democratic primary loser for president — or not vote at all.

John Mattes speaks to San Diego Democrats for Equality, the the predominantly gay club in Hillcrest. Photo by Ken Stone
But investigative journalist John Mattes, describing how fake stories on Facebook helped defeat Hillary Clinton, isn’t sure who Mitov is.

“He may be a bot. He may be a person [or four]. He may be living in Macedonia, laughing,” Mattes told a rapt audience of 90 Thursday night in Hillcrest.
But Mitov’s thousands of posts — and similar ones from Albania and elsewhere — duped just enough of the 13 million Sanders supporters to hand the election to Donald Trump and prove Russia could hack American democracy, said the 66-year-old resident of Pacific Beach.
A major Sanders organizer in Southern California himself, Mattes admitted that “we were played.”

Again, Mueller has documented the support that Russia gave to Sanders. I trust Mueller on this.

Again, many voters will want to know why Putin and Russia put some much effort into promoting sanders
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

3 people in a race is a hellova lot different than 10, GemDigger Feb 2019 #1
It will be hard katmondoo Feb 2019 #2
no. lindysalsagal Feb 2019 #3
There are many factors at play that all point to the same conclusion. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #4
Well he didn't win with Hillary in the race last time. comradebillyboy Feb 2019 #5
He didnt win with her in the race. honest.abe Feb 2019 #6
No. And the field will be much smaller by Super Tuesday. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #7
I didn't even think about Super Tuesday SFnomad Feb 2019 #9
There's no way that many will make it that far. Half a dozen tops. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #11
Super Tuesday will not be good for sanders Gothmog Feb 2019 #15
Not only did he not win with Secretary Clinton in the race, he really wasn't even close SFnomad Feb 2019 #8
I don't agree that Obama's win in the 2008 primaries was all that decisive. StevieM Feb 2019 #42
By the end of February, it was pretty clear that Senator Clinton had a very steep hill to climb SFnomad Feb 2019 #44
While I certainly remember that Sanders and his supporters were waiting for the indictment fairy StevieM Feb 2019 #49
Isn't the CA Primary in March 2020, on Super Tuesday? stopbush Feb 2019 #10
CA, TX, TN, AL, VA, etc. It won't be a good day for Sanders. If he's even still in the race. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #12
I hope not. NT Persondem Feb 2019 #13
The Russians helped sanders a great deal by energizing the Neverhillary types Gothmog Feb 2019 #14
It took a number of Democrats and Republicans several races before they got the nomination Quixote1818 Feb 2019 #16
No, he doesn't. Look at the primary schedule. Look at the dozen states that follow New Hampshire. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #19
Well no one thought Trump had a chance Quixote1818 Feb 2019 #20
Apples and oranges. For starters... Garrett78 Feb 2019 #21
I think if Biden doesn't get in Lazy Daisy Feb 2019 #23
Well, no one thought about Fucking russia Cha Feb 2019 #33
There are several states where the #NeverHillary vote pushed Bernie Sanders over the top Gothmog Feb 2019 #17
#NeverHillary voters were conservative, not super liberal. Gothmog Feb 2019 #18
Many thanks for posting that chart Awsi Dooger Feb 2019 #29
No way. betsuni Feb 2019 #22
he's got this.. he thinks.. Cha Feb 2019 #32
The whole campaign will be based on things that do not exist. betsuni Feb 2019 #34
Exactly, betsuni.. good way to put it. Cha Feb 2019 #35
That is so offensive and sickening. athena Mar 2019 #64
I think the competition is much tougher this time. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #24
No. But of course he couldn't win against Clinton, either. highplainsdem Feb 2019 #25
I think a better question would be can Sanders win without Hillary supporters in the primaries? still_one Feb 2019 #26
ZING! LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #27
Good point Gothmog Feb 2019 #30
Definitely. Amimnoch Mar 2019 #60
Great post Gothmog Mar 2019 #63
Ouch! CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #47
I will go out on a limb... NO. fleabiscuit Feb 2019 #52
Mmm hmm. Amimnoch Mar 2019 #59
The gloves will be off this time. lapucelle Feb 2019 #28
I am glad that the candidates will be vetted this cycle Gothmog Feb 2019 #41
his track record isn't good. Cha Feb 2019 #31
Absolutely! Power 2 the People Feb 2019 #36
I doubt that sanders gets past Super Tuesday Gothmog Feb 2019 #37
If he even makes it to Super Tuesday. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #38
South Carolina will not be a good state for sanders Gothmog Feb 2019 #39
Forgive or forget what exactly? Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #61
I hate to break it ot you but a large number of real democrats have strong feelings about sanders Gothmog Mar 2019 #62
According to Nate Silver, I am not alone Gothmog Mar 2019 #67
Bernie's Support Scatters In Big Field Gothmog Mar 2019 #58
It was NeverHillary vote that helped sanders Gothmog Feb 2019 #40
This isn't a binary choice this time Trenzalore Feb 2019 #43
Which will hurt sanders Gothmog Feb 2019 #45
Time will tell Trenzalore Feb 2019 #46
sanders delegates hate everyone and will not play nice Gothmog Feb 2019 #48
#NeverHiillary is still alive Gothmog Feb 2019 #50
It could depend on how the African American vote goes. RDANGELO Feb 2019 #51
They won't split. fleabiscuit Feb 2019 #53
without Clinton or Biden, he will be the nominee AlexSFCA Feb 2019 #54
No, next question Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #55
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2019 #56
Bernie Sanders has already lost more than half of his 2016 supporters Gothmog Mar 2019 #57
I don't think he can win period ismnotwasm Mar 2019 #65
Well, he didn't win with her in the race, either. MineralMan Mar 2019 #66
Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»Democratic Primaries»Can Sanders Win Without C...»Reply #14