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Maven

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11. IOW: To those who don't support Biden, just admit defeat already

Reply to busterbrown (Original post)

Tue Jul 9, 2019, 05:04 PM

Jul 2019

Um, no thanks?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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For those of you who support Warren, Buttigieg or Harris.. [View all] busterbrown Jul 2019 OP

Buttigieg. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #1

Ok, you win, let's call the whole thing off BeyondGeography Jul 2019 #2

LOL! Maven Jul 2019 #10

I was looking for the resistance is futile thread... BeyondGeography Jul 2019 #14

If they still support Trump over any of those candidates... jcgoldie Jul 2019 #3

I agree 100% busterbrown Jul 2019 #8

In which case they'll vote against him Clash City Rocker Jul 2019 #97

Ding ding ding! rownesheck Jul 2019 #43

You echo the thoughts in several DU posts, and some MSM commentators Raven123 Jul 2019 #4

There's lots of time left for more gaffes and apologies. I don't think Joe is "the one". n/t zackymilly Jul 2019 #15

He's not the only of ourcandidate who makes 'gaffes'. Not sure voters care about 'gaffes' this time emulatorloo Jul 2019 #18

sure was close in Texas for Beto. His campaign was awesome, if not for the disenfranchised Sunlei Jul 2019 #63

Time for more flip flopping on health care for your candidate redstateblues Jul 2019 #27

Looking for more fake promises from yours. Oh, now he says he's going to cut incarceration by 50%. zackymilly Jul 2019 #44

Nice deflection. We still don't know what Harris's stance on the most important issue is. redstateblues Jul 2019 #140

Give me a break...the 'gaffes' were bullshit to begin with. I personally think he handled the Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #48

I have a quibble with "caught in the middle of a lousy stinkin economy". LonePirate Jul 2019 #5

The problem. Blue_true Jul 2019 #41

No if we utter the word re-training... we will lose...it is a dirty word around here. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #49

Modern manufacturing is a non-human endeavor. Those jobs are not coming back. LonePirate Jul 2019 #69

That is untrue ; the jobs are being done elsewhere, and if you want to lose run on 'the jobs Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #76

Yes, the jobs are done elsewhere - for a fraction of the wages paid in the US. LonePirate Jul 2019 #83

Yeah...sure and we can just cede the four or five presidential elections to the Repubs... Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #92

MI and PA are not staying red in 2020. AZ, GA and NC are all strong pick up possibilities. Maybe FL. LonePirate Jul 2019 #94

On what do you base this opinion? We have not won a presidential race in AZ in decades. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #96

Well people have eyes. The jobs aren't coming back as trump promised... brush Jul 2019 #70

Absolutely, that is our best chance...Ohio is not happy with Trump, we lost a number of auto plants Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #75

I see what you're saying. Hammer the repugs on the jobs not coming back... brush Jul 2019 #78

Exactly, but for the love of heaven do not offer to 'retrain' for jobs that don't exist or opine Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #82

So what is it you are offering these workers? Applegate Jul 2019 #100

You have to create jobs in the mid west...green jobs...whatever and you have to use whatever means Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #104

Let's reframe your response... brooklynite Jul 2019 #6

Of the three that you mentioned, TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #7

If Buttigieg stays at or below 1% of the AAs in S.C. redstateblues Jul 2019 #30

Warren will not win the rustbelt...she has come out for MFA...it will end her chances and all Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #51

I also doubt that she can win the Rust Belt. TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #120

It is not...and people's eyes glaze over with policy explanation...the KISS principle should be Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #130

I totally disagree. Her support is among progressives. Honeycombe8 Jul 2019 #118

This is an excellent post. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #131

Nobody knows for sure at this point what it will take to beat trump. The election is over wasupaloopa Jul 2019 #9

That is not true...it is very clear what we need to do to beat Trump take the rust-belt...it Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #53

IOW: To those who don't support Biden, just admit defeat already Maven Jul 2019 #11

Hey.Who The Heck said that.. busterbrown Jul 2019 #22

I think Biden & Warren would consider teaming up-they work well together. Sunlei Jul 2019 #58

Or, putting it another way question everything Jul 2019 #12

The right messenger can sell progressive policies. Turin_C3PO Jul 2019 #13

It is possible but not in 20. It will takes years to reverse the distrust of liberal policies...and Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #55

I like all three, but agree with you with the exception of Warren. cwydro Jul 2019 #16

Hillary was vilified to the utmost.. busterbrown Jul 2019 #23

Completely agree. cwydro Jul 2019 #25

She had it exactly. They were, and still are, deplorable. Funtatlaguy Jul 2019 #38

I live in Ohio, they won't vote for Warren...I used to live in PA and they won't voter for her Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #56

that's a right wing talking point and should not be repeated here shanny Jul 2019 #101

No it is not a right wing talking point...it is true. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #132

I think that any Democratic POTUS will come to the conclusion that ehrnst Jul 2019 #136

That is nonsense...Obama had a plan which had been done in Massachusetts...we will never Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #138

No, it's not nonsense. ehrnst Jul 2019 #139

There already was a working model...and it was a much smaller effort to insure those who have Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #141

I'm just saying that the candidate who had the last full health reform plan among candidates ehrnst Jul 2019 #143

I am absolutely with you on this. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #146

No one explains economy in terms of kitchen table issues better than Warren blm Jul 2019 #17

Yes, I think she can appeal to them too. cwydro Jul 2019 #26

Couldn't have said it better myself! nt at140 Jul 2019 #34

back to voting straight Dem KayF Jul 2019 #19

I always vote straight Dem...but if that is what it takes to beat Trump...sex and race mean Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #84

I found the original post... BigOleDummy Jul 2019 #20

Well I'll add another take if you don't mind.. busterbrown Jul 2019 #24

Any nominee of ours will be "crucified" by them. Funtatlaguy Jul 2019 #39

The same Obama that won with huge margins? redstateblues Jul 2019 #33

Yes indeed that Obama BigOleDummy Jul 2019 #95

Polls say others can win these states as well. thesquanderer Jul 2019 #21

You site old polls the race has tightened and only Biden and Sanders in one poll was Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #57

I think you missed my point thesquanderer Jul 2019 #126

Those polls were taken before the the race tightened and no the polls I refer to are state polls.. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #127

re:"and no the {posted Tuesday} polls I refer to are state polls" thesquanderer Jul 2019 #135

I saw them on this site...recently. I will see if I can find them...busy today. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #142

I think you are exactly wrong if you believe shanny Jul 2019 #28

It wasn't an economic message that lost us the rust belt and it won't give it back to us either. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #59

oh sure. I totally believe that: shanny Jul 2019 #105

The sort of economics preached by Warren has not helped the rust belt in the past... and most will Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #114

the sort of economic justice "preached" by Warren was born in the rust belt shanny Jul 2019 #121

You don't understand the mid west...they will not respond to what they perceive as socialist polices Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #122

we'll see won't we? shanny Jul 2019 #123

I hope not...we need to win. I still predict Biden will be the nominee. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #124

btw, I was just going to add to my previous post shanny Jul 2019 #125

I am aware that Sanders won Michigan and Wisconsin in 16...he got union support. And that was Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #128

you think Bernie the socialist shanny Jul 2019 #133

Better than Warren or Harris...he connects with working folks...union folks...the others don't... Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #134

Those states were called the Blue Wall until the 2016 election. Autumn Jul 2019 #29

Anyone of them can win the rust belt. 33taw Jul 2019 #31

No they can't...You are kidding yourself and the most recent polls show only Biden beating Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #60

I am talking about Biden as well. 33taw Jul 2019 #72

It won't matter...the positions taken by our candidate except Biden on Immigrant reform Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #74

I am from rural WI. Only Amy Klobuchar and Beto have made brief visits to the area. 33taw Jul 2019 #86

I don't disagree...but I believe he is the only viable candidate with a chance. Klbobuchar and Beto Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #90

Agree about Beto and Klobuchar as well as many others. 33taw Jul 2019 #103

I agree with that. I would rather see Bernie run than either Harris or Warren which may surprise Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #106

I also believe Biden has the best shot overall 33taw Jul 2019 #109

I agree with that...I will vote for anyone in the general. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #110

Totally agree. We could nominate Elmer Fudd and I would vote for him. 33taw Jul 2019 #113

me too. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #116

I will say Senator Baldwin visits northern Wi often. 33taw Jul 2019 #112

I can't decide whether I need to wash socks. rzemanfl Jul 2019 #102

Salt of the earth. I'm not familiar with that phrase. ecstatic Jul 2019 #32

it comes from the xian bible, usually means a good person Celerity Jul 2019 #35

Thanks! ecstatic Jul 2019 #52

The OP called Biden salt of the earth nt Celerity Jul 2019 #115

Here's another LakeArenal Jul 2019 #37

Sure.. The manual laborer..Union oriented.. busterbrown Jul 2019 #42

But if they're good people, ecstatic Jul 2019 #50

I'm only going to vote for the person I think will do the best job. mahina Jul 2019 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2019 #40

It is clear from polls that a number of Obama supporters voted for Trump. Unless we win them back Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2019 #61

Are you kidding...impeachment is very unpopular in the rust belt and would be used to Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2019 #65

If we don't win back the rustbelt we will lose 20,24...etc Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #73

Your unnecessary fear of Trump qazplm135 Jul 2019 #77

Did you even look at the maps I posted...you are fucking right I am afraid of Trump winning... Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2019 #85

Again...no reason why you disagree...not evidence in polling or maps to show how we win without Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #89

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2019 #98

Bye...I really wanted to see how folks think Warren and or Harris win...but I have not seen Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #99

See that's the difference qazplm135 Jul 2019 #87

I presented two maps that show clearly how desperate our situation is. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #88

lol qazplm135 Jul 2019 #107

So you disagree with current polling and believe Harris and/or Warren could win MI,WI and PA... Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #111

I agree...none of them will win PA...and without PA, we are sunk...also Biden has the chance to Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #45

Translation - rust belt voters are racist, sexist, homophobes... SidDithers Jul 2019 #46

I would say don't run any woman...and it pains me to say this. I wouldn't even put a woman on Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #62

and yet I get warned for calling insipid takes qazplm135 Jul 2019 #79

I said it based on polls..I want a woman president and backed Hillary in 16...I just don't think we Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #93

I support them all. I think a couple Ds currently running will group up after primary Sunlei Jul 2019 #54

Are there no policy reasons to vote for Joe? gtar100 Jul 2019 #66

He has good policies and is a progressive who can win moderates...we talk about electability Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #129

i agree samnsara Jul 2019 #67

Not so fast. Michigan, especially in the Detroit area, had many irregularities. brush Jul 2019 #68

REALLY hard to say at this point. Amimnoch Jul 2019 #71

Is it ok if people get to vote first? Lefta Dissenter Jul 2019 #80

"Joe Biden, Closet Republican He's the liberal Bob Dole, the looser Mitt Romney, the supposedly safe bloom Jul 2019 #91

It's Still Very Early in the Primary Process dlk Jul 2019 #108

What would be the cost loyalsister Jul 2019 #117

I think Warren and Harris can do it mvd Jul 2019 #119

Wanted to add.. mvd Jul 2019 #144

Why single out these three people? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #137

I think Warren would do particularly well in Michigan. demmiblue Jul 2019 #145