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Demsrule86

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48. Give me a break...the 'gaffes' were bullshit to begin with. I personally think he handled the

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:27 AM

Jul 2019

busing question fine and it will blow up in Harris face...she is less electable in a general now...so those voters who may have been thinking about taking a chance probably won't. Biden is the one who can win. The other candidates have tacked so far left on a variety of issues that they are un-electable in a general in rust belt states. And we must win those states if we are to win a general. This is not the time for the pure progressive candidate...the country is center left at best and only a Perceived moderate can win. I would have thought the midterms would have been a wake up call...as moderates gave us the house. And with a candidate perceived as 'far left' we could very well lose the House as well as failing to take the presidency and the Senate. Imagine an all powerful Trump. It could happen if we choose the wrong nominee.

The stakes were very high in 16 and look at the wreckage Trump has created. It turns me cold with rage when I think of Stein, Turner and Sarandon Etc...the only thing more catastrophic would be to lose in 20...Ginsberg won't last another term...the GOP would finish packing the lower courts and have a 6-3 majority at the very least...they could end up with a 7-2 also. Thus the only issue I care about is beating Trump...the rest can be sorted out after he is gone...much will depend on if we take the Senate. Oh, we will use EO's Harris opines...yes I heard that. However, the Trump friendly courts will deep six any such attempt. Thus if we win the presidency without the Senate...we must try to win in the midterm...otherwise we play defense and will not get a court pick either. I have never seen things as bad as they are today.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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For those of you who support Warren, Buttigieg or Harris.. [View all] busterbrown Jul 2019 OP

Buttigieg. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #1

Ok, you win, let's call the whole thing off BeyondGeography Jul 2019 #2

LOL! Maven Jul 2019 #10

I was looking for the resistance is futile thread... BeyondGeography Jul 2019 #14

If they still support Trump over any of those candidates... jcgoldie Jul 2019 #3

I agree 100% busterbrown Jul 2019 #8

In which case they'll vote against him Clash City Rocker Jul 2019 #97

Ding ding ding! rownesheck Jul 2019 #43

You echo the thoughts in several DU posts, and some MSM commentators Raven123 Jul 2019 #4

There's lots of time left for more gaffes and apologies. I don't think Joe is "the one". n/t zackymilly Jul 2019 #15

He's not the only of ourcandidate who makes 'gaffes'. Not sure voters care about 'gaffes' this time emulatorloo Jul 2019 #18

sure was close in Texas for Beto. His campaign was awesome, if not for the disenfranchised Sunlei Jul 2019 #63

Time for more flip flopping on health care for your candidate redstateblues Jul 2019 #27

Looking for more fake promises from yours. Oh, now he says he's going to cut incarceration by 50%. zackymilly Jul 2019 #44

Nice deflection. We still don't know what Harris's stance on the most important issue is. redstateblues Jul 2019 #140

Give me a break...the 'gaffes' were bullshit to begin with. I personally think he handled the Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #48

I have a quibble with "caught in the middle of a lousy stinkin economy". LonePirate Jul 2019 #5

The problem. Blue_true Jul 2019 #41

No if we utter the word re-training... we will lose...it is a dirty word around here. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #49

Modern manufacturing is a non-human endeavor. Those jobs are not coming back. LonePirate Jul 2019 #69

That is untrue ; the jobs are being done elsewhere, and if you want to lose run on 'the jobs Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #76

Yes, the jobs are done elsewhere - for a fraction of the wages paid in the US. LonePirate Jul 2019 #83

Yeah...sure and we can just cede the four or five presidential elections to the Repubs... Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #92

MI and PA are not staying red in 2020. AZ, GA and NC are all strong pick up possibilities. Maybe FL. LonePirate Jul 2019 #94

On what do you base this opinion? We have not won a presidential race in AZ in decades. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #96

Well people have eyes. The jobs aren't coming back as trump promised... brush Jul 2019 #70

Absolutely, that is our best chance...Ohio is not happy with Trump, we lost a number of auto plants Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #75

I see what you're saying. Hammer the repugs on the jobs not coming back... brush Jul 2019 #78

Exactly, but for the love of heaven do not offer to 'retrain' for jobs that don't exist or opine Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #82

So what is it you are offering these workers? Applegate Jul 2019 #100

You have to create jobs in the mid west...green jobs...whatever and you have to use whatever means Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #104

Let's reframe your response... brooklynite Jul 2019 #6

Of the three that you mentioned, TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #7

If Buttigieg stays at or below 1% of the AAs in S.C. redstateblues Jul 2019 #30

Warren will not win the rustbelt...she has come out for MFA...it will end her chances and all Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #51

I also doubt that she can win the Rust Belt. TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #120

It is not...and people's eyes glaze over with policy explanation...the KISS principle should be Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #130

I totally disagree. Her support is among progressives. Honeycombe8 Jul 2019 #118

This is an excellent post. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #131

Nobody knows for sure at this point what it will take to beat trump. The election is over wasupaloopa Jul 2019 #9

That is not true...it is very clear what we need to do to beat Trump take the rust-belt...it Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #53

IOW: To those who don't support Biden, just admit defeat already Maven Jul 2019 #11

Hey.Who The Heck said that.. busterbrown Jul 2019 #22

I think Biden & Warren would consider teaming up-they work well together. Sunlei Jul 2019 #58

Or, putting it another way question everything Jul 2019 #12

The right messenger can sell progressive policies. Turin_C3PO Jul 2019 #13

It is possible but not in 20. It will takes years to reverse the distrust of liberal policies...and Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #55

I like all three, but agree with you with the exception of Warren. cwydro Jul 2019 #16

Hillary was vilified to the utmost.. busterbrown Jul 2019 #23

Completely agree. cwydro Jul 2019 #25

She had it exactly. They were, and still are, deplorable. Funtatlaguy Jul 2019 #38

I live in Ohio, they won't vote for Warren...I used to live in PA and they won't voter for her Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #56

that's a right wing talking point and should not be repeated here shanny Jul 2019 #101

No it is not a right wing talking point...it is true. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #132

I think that any Democratic POTUS will come to the conclusion that ehrnst Jul 2019 #136

That is nonsense...Obama had a plan which had been done in Massachusetts...we will never Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #138

No, it's not nonsense. ehrnst Jul 2019 #139

There already was a working model...and it was a much smaller effort to insure those who have Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #141

I'm just saying that the candidate who had the last full health reform plan among candidates ehrnst Jul 2019 #143

I am absolutely with you on this. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #146

No one explains economy in terms of kitchen table issues better than Warren blm Jul 2019 #17

Yes, I think she can appeal to them too. cwydro Jul 2019 #26

Couldn't have said it better myself! nt at140 Jul 2019 #34

back to voting straight Dem KayF Jul 2019 #19

I always vote straight Dem...but if that is what it takes to beat Trump...sex and race mean Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #84

I found the original post... BigOleDummy Jul 2019 #20

Well I'll add another take if you don't mind.. busterbrown Jul 2019 #24

Any nominee of ours will be "crucified" by them. Funtatlaguy Jul 2019 #39

The same Obama that won with huge margins? redstateblues Jul 2019 #33

Yes indeed that Obama BigOleDummy Jul 2019 #95

Polls say others can win these states as well. thesquanderer Jul 2019 #21

You site old polls the race has tightened and only Biden and Sanders in one poll was Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #57

I think you missed my point thesquanderer Jul 2019 #126

Those polls were taken before the the race tightened and no the polls I refer to are state polls.. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #127

re:"and no the {posted Tuesday} polls I refer to are state polls" thesquanderer Jul 2019 #135

I saw them on this site...recently. I will see if I can find them...busy today. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #142

I think you are exactly wrong if you believe shanny Jul 2019 #28

It wasn't an economic message that lost us the rust belt and it won't give it back to us either. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #59

oh sure. I totally believe that: shanny Jul 2019 #105

The sort of economics preached by Warren has not helped the rust belt in the past... and most will Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #114

the sort of economic justice "preached" by Warren was born in the rust belt shanny Jul 2019 #121

You don't understand the mid west...they will not respond to what they perceive as socialist polices Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #122

we'll see won't we? shanny Jul 2019 #123

I hope not...we need to win. I still predict Biden will be the nominee. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #124

btw, I was just going to add to my previous post shanny Jul 2019 #125

I am aware that Sanders won Michigan and Wisconsin in 16...he got union support. And that was Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #128

you think Bernie the socialist shanny Jul 2019 #133

Better than Warren or Harris...he connects with working folks...union folks...the others don't... Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #134

Those states were called the Blue Wall until the 2016 election. Autumn Jul 2019 #29

Anyone of them can win the rust belt. 33taw Jul 2019 #31

No they can't...You are kidding yourself and the most recent polls show only Biden beating Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #60

I am talking about Biden as well. 33taw Jul 2019 #72

It won't matter...the positions taken by our candidate except Biden on Immigrant reform Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #74

I am from rural WI. Only Amy Klobuchar and Beto have made brief visits to the area. 33taw Jul 2019 #86

I don't disagree...but I believe he is the only viable candidate with a chance. Klbobuchar and Beto Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #90

Agree about Beto and Klobuchar as well as many others. 33taw Jul 2019 #103

I agree with that. I would rather see Bernie run than either Harris or Warren which may surprise Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #106

I also believe Biden has the best shot overall 33taw Jul 2019 #109

I agree with that...I will vote for anyone in the general. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #110

Totally agree. We could nominate Elmer Fudd and I would vote for him. 33taw Jul 2019 #113

me too. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #116

I will say Senator Baldwin visits northern Wi often. 33taw Jul 2019 #112

I can't decide whether I need to wash socks. rzemanfl Jul 2019 #102

Salt of the earth. I'm not familiar with that phrase. ecstatic Jul 2019 #32

it comes from the xian bible, usually means a good person Celerity Jul 2019 #35

Thanks! ecstatic Jul 2019 #52

The OP called Biden salt of the earth nt Celerity Jul 2019 #115

Here's another LakeArenal Jul 2019 #37

Sure.. The manual laborer..Union oriented.. busterbrown Jul 2019 #42

But if they're good people, ecstatic Jul 2019 #50

I'm only going to vote for the person I think will do the best job. mahina Jul 2019 #36

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It is clear from polls that a number of Obama supporters voted for Trump. Unless we win them back Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2019 #61

Are you kidding...impeachment is very unpopular in the rust belt and would be used to Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2019 #65

If we don't win back the rustbelt we will lose 20,24...etc Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #73

Your unnecessary fear of Trump qazplm135 Jul 2019 #77

Did you even look at the maps I posted...you are fucking right I am afraid of Trump winning... Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2019 #85

Again...no reason why you disagree...not evidence in polling or maps to show how we win without Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #89

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2019 #98

Bye...I really wanted to see how folks think Warren and or Harris win...but I have not seen Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #99

See that's the difference qazplm135 Jul 2019 #87

I presented two maps that show clearly how desperate our situation is. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #88

lol qazplm135 Jul 2019 #107

So you disagree with current polling and believe Harris and/or Warren could win MI,WI and PA... Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #111

I agree...none of them will win PA...and without PA, we are sunk...also Biden has the chance to Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #45

Translation - rust belt voters are racist, sexist, homophobes... SidDithers Jul 2019 #46

I would say don't run any woman...and it pains me to say this. I wouldn't even put a woman on Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #62

and yet I get warned for calling insipid takes qazplm135 Jul 2019 #79

I said it based on polls..I want a woman president and backed Hillary in 16...I just don't think we Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #93

I support them all. I think a couple Ds currently running will group up after primary Sunlei Jul 2019 #54

Are there no policy reasons to vote for Joe? gtar100 Jul 2019 #66

He has good policies and is a progressive who can win moderates...we talk about electability Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #129

i agree samnsara Jul 2019 #67

Not so fast. Michigan, especially in the Detroit area, had many irregularities. brush Jul 2019 #68

REALLY hard to say at this point. Amimnoch Jul 2019 #71

Is it ok if people get to vote first? Lefta Dissenter Jul 2019 #80

"Joe Biden, Closet Republican He's the liberal Bob Dole, the looser Mitt Romney, the supposedly safe bloom Jul 2019 #91

It's Still Very Early in the Primary Process dlk Jul 2019 #108

What would be the cost loyalsister Jul 2019 #117

I think Warren and Harris can do it mvd Jul 2019 #119

Wanted to add.. mvd Jul 2019 #144

Why single out these three people? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #137

I think Warren would do particularly well in Michigan. demmiblue Jul 2019 #145