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ehrnst

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118. So you support a candidate that you don't think "will do more for blacks or women" than the others.

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 09:29 AM

Jul 2019

I believe that if elected president, Sanders will do more for blacks and women than any of our candidates.

It's good that you can admit to yourself and everyone here that you don't believe those to be among the most important issues to be addressed by a POTUS. But, I have to wonder:

How do you square that with his statements, and their reception, at the She the People summit?

How do you square that with the NAACP's experiences with Sanders in Vermont?

How do you square that with his statements inferring that candidates specifically who are women and POC ( at least those who run against him/or he doesn't support), often expect people to vote for them simply because they are female or of color, and not because of their stance on the issues?

The notion that Democrats have to keep nominating 3rd way Democrats to win is what is getting old with me, an FDR Democrat.

The notion that any Democratic POTUS candidate who isn't Sanders or Warren is "GOP lite" or "Corporatist" is what is getting old with me, a progressive Democrat living in the 21st century, where there isn't a depression/universally supported war effort, or the ability to exclude women and people of color from many of the early federal work programs (avoiding the issue of racist and sexist conflict and allocating resources to a smaller white male work force that couldn't be replicated now). The fate of women who did work in high paying manufacturing jobs being fired and told to have babies, after the war when the white men returned, sparking the "golden age of labor" isn't something that I'd want to replicate either.

I'm more of an a LBJ Democrat, because he dealt head on with race, early education disparities, and got national health care programs implemented. The Great Society legislation lasted far, far longer than many of the WPA programs. And yes, I know about the rural electrification program, and Social Security.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Bernie. Don't go there. Just do not. Just STOP. [View all] Soph0571 Jul 2019 OP

I have hopes that sanders will not get 300 delegates to the national convention Gothmog Jul 2019 #1

I have hopes that Sanders acknowledges that. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #2

What right have you to make this comment? watoos Jul 2019 #5

What right doesn't the poster have to make that comment? NT SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #7

I have found that there are certain candidates watoos Jul 2019 #10

That completely ignores a majority of reality... SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #12

+1000. ehrnst Jul 2019 #74

Speaking truth there redstateblues Jul 2019 #77

Try reading some posts about Harris too mcar Jul 2019 #44

"I see a repeat of 2016 if Democrats fall for the right wing narrative..." myohmy2 Jul 2019 #105

They rep that wing of the party. The majority of the party are represented by others. brush Jul 2019 #159

Hell. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #106

Take it up with Admin if you don't think the "rules don't apply" on DU. ehrnst Jul 2019 #119

sanders will not be the nominee Gothmog Jul 2019 #9

Not a smart idea watoos Jul 2019 #13

Actual Democrats have a D after their name. we can do it Jul 2019 #15

If sanders is the nominee, trump wins 45+ states Gothmog Jul 2019 #17

That's not what head-to-head Trump vs. Sanders polls say. He's second to Biden. thesquanderer Jul 2019 #18

In the real world, sanders is not electable Gothmog Jul 2019 #19

Biden dropped out radical noodle Jul 2019 #33

Well, are any of the other Dem candidates who are not Dems when they serve in their job as reps? ehrnst Jul 2019 #76

... sheshe2 Jul 2019 #107

I keep hearing about us not ready for a female President, but... TreasonousBastard Jul 2019 #79

Not to mention the rare instance of a party holding the WH for more than two consecutive terms... ehrnst Jul 2019 #109

This post does my heart good. And on top of all that, won by 3 million. silentEcho Jul 2019 #126

Same here! eom BlueMTexpat Jul 2019 #127

Gothmog is a member of this board mcar Jul 2019 #40

LOLOL nini Jul 2019 #46

Every right in the World. Cha Jul 2019 #69

You think people shouldn't have the right to say that they hope a candidate won't win? ehrnst Jul 2019 #75

So you support a candidate that you don't think "will do more for blacks or women" than the others. ehrnst Jul 2019 #118

+1 happy feet Jul 2019 #136

Yes please. NurseJackie Jul 2019 #26

Yes, old white men have never gotten serious consideration as POTUS...or proportional representation ehrnst Jul 2019 #3

Bye Felicia Me. Jul 2019 #4

Yes please. NurseJackie Jul 2019 #27

... Me. Jul 2019 #34

I hope that there is acceptance when it comes this time. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #85

Counseling May Be Needed Me. Jul 2019 #86

When one refuses any counsel that doesn't agree lockstep with them... ehrnst Jul 2019 #87

I am convinced he will not get the nomination Watchfoxheadexplodes Jul 2019 #6

WOW ! stonecutter357 Jul 2019 #8

Because older white heterosexual males have been sooo underrepresented.. Amimnoch Jul 2019 #11

K&R betsuni Jul 2019 #14

Have fun bashing Bernie, watoos Jul 2019 #16

Bashing? No. TwilightZone Jul 2019 #21

Meh, I really want Elizabeth The Mouth Jul 2019 #47

I agree with you on Elizabeth being the most qualified woman to run for President... InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #78

In terms of economic knowledge The Mouth Jul 2019 #117

Elizabeth needs to be on the ticket... period! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #134

You have Mayor Pete as your DU preferred candidate because "it freaks out the cons?" ehrnst Jul 2019 #120

No The Mouth Jul 2019 #131

It is sad that in a very important primary you are looking for chaos and destruction within silentEcho Jul 2019 #137

because jewish people have never been persecuted? questionseverything Jul 2019 #92

He's not talking about anti-semitism. Read the transcript if you don't believe me. ehrnst Jul 2019 #121

Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Jul 2019 #29

HELLO.. those were BS' own words. Please Cha Jul 2019 #71

He compared people saying he was old to actual racial and gender discrimination. ehrnst Jul 2019 #114

Oh, we are having fun. BannonsLiver Jul 2019 #154

As usual. Carefully crafted edits churn the outrage. Autumn Jul 2019 #20

I understood exactly what he meant and I stand by this post completely Soph0571 Jul 2019 #22

I understood EVERYTHING he said to Rachel, not just what she selected and I consider Hawaii D to Autumn Jul 2019 #24

Gotta fire up the outrage Wurlitzer somehow. Lol. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2019 #39

I see that Lobster guy is still grifting. Autumn Jul 2019 #43

The outrage Wurlitzer. Ain't that the truth. JudyM Jul 2019 #64

Like you do about the DNC and the "establishment". BannonsLiver Jul 2019 #155

as you know, I am no fan of Bernie (for a multitude of reasons) but this tweet in the OP is a Celerity Jul 2019 #53

I know your not and I respect you for being truthful. Autumn Jul 2019 #55

Swallwell's comment wasn't about or to anyone but Biden. It concerned Biden's career as a Senator ehrnst Jul 2019 #124

Maddow was the one who drew the comparison with her question Celerity Jul 2019 #128

She was also describing what people wanted her to ask him about... ehrnst Jul 2019 #132

then she rebutted her own inference (which came via her own question) Celerity Jul 2019 #140

So when Maddow rebuts rebuts his characterization that Swalwell was *only* talking about age ehrnst Jul 2019 #142

Active in the woman's movement? No, not at all. silentEcho Jul 2019 #145

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Jul 2019 #150

Sanders states he was active in woman's movement. He wasn't and is not active in WM silentEcho Jul 2019 #152

Ah, I see now. ehrnst Jul 2019 #157

again, Maddow brought it up first, I get you do not like that, as it does fit the narrative Celerity Jul 2019 #147

So, now I'm the one "trying to sell a narrative..." ehrnst Jul 2019 #158

You're spot on as usual Autumn...but then, some never miss an opportunity to bash Bernie... InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #80

+1 Go Vols Jul 2019 #93

Good to see you. I missed your posts. Autumn Jul 2019 #97

Yes, Bernie is exempt from any critiques of his statements but positive ones. ehrnst Jul 2019 #123

Actually, Amanda B. Reckonwith has the bullshit tweet. ehrnst Jul 2019 #125

Bazinga! George II Jul 2019 #133

soph...jews historically have faced many barriers questionseverything Jul 2019 #94

It's so trivializing of the structural impediments tishaLA Jul 2019 #23

Exactly.. so tone deaf. Cha Jul 2019 #72

I'm not a Bernie fan, but NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #25

This is his "all lives matter" moment. Remember Martin O'Malley? Politicub Jul 2019 #28

I didn't watch Rachel last night radical noodle Jul 2019 #30

I deliberately skipped Rachel last night, for the same reason. Paladin Jul 2019 #35

My thoughts exactly Paladin n/t radical noodle Jul 2019 #36

Ditto! n/t Tarheel_Dem Jul 2019 #108

I don't think I understand your argument or that of HawaiiDelilah ProfessorPlum Jul 2019 #31

In politics, there' s never been a barrier due to advanced age, rather the opposite KitSileya Jul 2019 #48

the "on par" part seems to be putting the argument's strength as equally dumb as arguments ProfessorPlum Jul 2019 #50

Agreed (nt) mr_lebowski Jul 2019 #51

The real ageism is the actual legal prohibition against under-35s dawg day Jul 2019 #59

those are good, and undeniable, points ProfessorPlum Jul 2019 #61

Exactly-- age has never been a real disqualifier for holding office, unlike gender and race dawg day Jul 2019 #58

that's a stupid take on this ProfessorPlum Jul 2019 #60

Ageism is still cool with some people The Mouth Jul 2019 #49

As can Jews. JudyM Jul 2019 #63

ty for saying this, i was beginning to think i had fallen down the rabbit hole questionseverything Jul 2019 #95

Again... when did Swallwell talk about Jews needing to "pass the torch" to someone else? ehrnst Jul 2019 #138

When did Swallwell say that Jews should not be considered for POTUS? ehrnst Jul 2019 #135

Sad, but true. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #82

Lord knows old white men face ALL kinds of discrimination in running for office... ehrnst Jul 2019 #112

Not clear on what you mean. The Mouth Jul 2019 #116

Sanders has dismissed issues of race or gender discrimination as "identity politics" ehrnst Jul 2019 #122

Thanks for the clarification The Mouth Jul 2019 #130

I hear ya. ehrnst Jul 2019 #139

Old people, fat people and Christians. Everyone else is protected. Clash City Rocker Jul 2019 #129

Is that what you think "pass the torch" meant? Bashing old people? ehrnst Jul 2019 #141

Maybe, or perhaps a distinction without all that much difference The Mouth Jul 2019 #143

Bernie literally stated that Swalwell was "just looking at age" and 'ignoring' experience. ehrnst Jul 2019 #146

I thought Sanders himself called that establishment and campaigned on getting those people out. silentEcho Jul 2019 #148

Apparently. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #156

this is a nothing burger yaesu Jul 2019 #32

Well, privilege is a wonderful thing for some. ehrnst Jul 2019 #88

Discrimination is discrimination...whether that's based on gender, ethnicity, age, etc. TCJ70 Jul 2019 #37

Post removed Post removed Jul 2019 #38

I think calling Harris an asshole makes for a horse shit post. MrsCoffee Jul 2019 #41

What does Harris have to do with the OP? SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #45

Bernie should drop out Vegas Roller Jul 2019 #42

The video in post #37 proves that the tweet in the OP is nothing more than slander against Sanders mtnsnake Jul 2019 #52

Situation normal!! I understand the desperation though to bash Bernie!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #83

Using his own words is "bashing?" ehrnst Jul 2019 #89

It was in response to a to a statement that Biden is to old to run,and what he thought about it. Go Vols Jul 2019 #96

No, even Maddow rebutted that Swalwell was also talking about his extensive career... ehrnst Jul 2019 #151

+1, I saw his comment live and cringed. What a yuge gaffe. R B Garr Jul 2019 #102

And he pulls out his old chestnut of he's accusing someone ehrnst Jul 2019 #153

Well... Mike Nelson Jul 2019 #54

Was there some mitigating context? dawg day Jul 2019 #56

When we don't hold our own candidates to account, then the GOP will in the General. ehrnst Jul 2019 #162

Bernie said nothing wrong. Ageism is as wrong as sexism and racism. Princetonian Jul 2019 #57

I agree. JudyM Jul 2019 #62

Thank you for that comment. YOHABLO Jul 2019 #65

Okay.. take away the Cha Jul 2019 #70

You can't take away the old. The question he was asked was specifically about age. TCJ70 Jul 2019 #73

+1 Me. Jul 2019 #103

.. Cha Jul 2019 #104

100%!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #81

Just go home Bernie. redstatebluegirl Jul 2019 #66

Bernie IS home... right where he belongs, sittin among the top contenders InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #84

Who cares what he said in that interview!!!!! Doesn't matter at all!!!! ehrnst Jul 2019 #144

And what he really means is.... silentEcho Jul 2019 #149

How many "some 90 year olds" are more active than 50 year olds? MarcA Jul 2019 #67

Who do you think would be the first to rebel against that? ehrnst Jul 2019 #90

K&R Tarheel_Dem Jul 2019 #68

Every single time he mentions black people ecstatic Jul 2019 #91

guess it depends which filter you are using floppyboo Jul 2019 #98

I regret what I wrote ecstatic Jul 2019 #99

mlk knew it was the poor people against the 1%ers questionseverything Jul 2019 #100

He does have some standing in this topic Lordquinton Jul 2019 #101

He was talking about AGE, not religion, and discrimination of POC and women running for office. ehrnst Jul 2019 #110

Isn't that playing the "Identity politics card," Bernie? ehrnst Jul 2019 #111

and those arguments are?... robbedvoter Jul 2019 #113

None that were ever, ever used against an older white male candidate... ehrnst Jul 2019 #115

Oh brother Bayard Jul 2019 #160

No, he was misrepresenting Swalwells's statement as "just looking at age, and not experience. ehrnst Jul 2019 #161