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elleng

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22. Much too much confusion on the health care issue,

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 02:47 AM

Jul 2019

perpetuated by EVERYONE 'the game.'

Has anyone listened to John Delaney's plan, and his reason for saying 'medicare for all is a bad idea?'

https://www.vox.com/2019/2/11/18220118/2020-presidential-campaign-medicare-for-all-john-delaney

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Here's what I don't understand about the question on "outlawing" private insurance. [View all] CTyankee Jul 2019 OP

In most countries with national health insurance, I think-- dawg day Jul 2019 #1

But this is killing us in the polls. It makes us out to be completely out of touch with the needs of CTyankee Jul 2019 #2

Sanders' plan is extremist and unpassable of course, Hortensis Jul 2019 #60

I know in England you can buy health insurance. oldsoftie Jul 2019 #8

Employer provided health insurance was an outgrowth of wage freezes in WWII Xipe Totec Jul 2019 #3

MFA is a losing stand. Repealing Obamacare is Political suicide redstateblues Jul 2019 #51

outlawing is a perjorative word. cancel or eliminate would be a bit more neutral nt msongs Jul 2019 #4

Yes, it is a loaded word, which is why the networks used it. I thought it was strange when I first CTyankee Jul 2019 #5

Are you sure you heard the word "outlaw" on the networks? thesquanderer Jul 2019 #7

But people who are happy with what they have arent going to trust govt to replace it. oldsoftie Jul 2019 #9

Perhaps I did. I remember being somewhat shocked to hear it. CTyankee Jul 2019 #10

2 things: You were already on Medicare, so Obamacare didn't really affect you, and... thesquanderer Jul 2019 #36

It is the same thing...it is madness to run on MFA. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #21

Political Suicide redstateblues Jul 2019 #52

+1 emmaverybo Jul 2019 #55

I really like Biden's plan...and I think most primary voters who want to win will too. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #57

Exactly...consider what happened to Clinton care... we lost the House and the Senate...and that was Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #73

It's not madness. BlueWI Jul 2019 #71

It is not about a difference of opinion...it is clearly what the voters will do...and that is Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #72

In 2016 voters elected a racist whose platform was BlueWI Jul 2019 #74

He promised to improve healthcare...with something better...but the polls are clear...and Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #75

One can purchase private insurance in Canada. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #6

What do you mean by "things more complex" than regular care? I don't understand... CTyankee Jul 2019 #11

I was a Federal employee. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #12

That needs to be improved, obviously. It is terrible what your family went through. CTyankee Jul 2019 #14

Agreed. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #15

Unfortunately people aren't aware of how private insurance companies are an integral part... George II Jul 2019 #13

Thanks for your explanation, George. Cha Jul 2019 #17

Still have that bridge for sale Lordquinton Jul 2019 #23

Medicare doesn't cover dental work. George II Jul 2019 #28

Most private insurance doesn't cover it either Lordquinton Jul 2019 #43

Gee, then how could Warren and Sanders and (???) raise their... LAS14 Jul 2019 #67

Not to put them down, but as I've been saying for months (years?)..... George II Jul 2019 #68

I've always compared health insurance to education question everything Jul 2019 #16

I found the question ridiculous and the answers pandering, but... TreasonousBastard Jul 2019 #18

However we phrase it - its a terrible idea to tell ooky Jul 2019 #19

That is not the issue,. People don't want to be forced on MFA and lose workplace insurance. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #20

Much too much confusion on the health care issue, elleng Jul 2019 #22

In Canada it is literally illegal to provide private insurance for a covered procedure Recursion Jul 2019 #24

How did you get from replacing your crappy Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #25

Because we want to find a way for doctors to do 33% more work for 50% less money Recursion Jul 2019 #42

That's a lot of assumptions. Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #63

Yes, there is Recursion Jul 2019 #70

I do wonder about the the supply of doctors under plans that greatly increase the number of insured VarryOn Jul 2019 #69

My current health insurance that I have through my employer eilen Jul 2019 #26

But this makes your employer your health care financial provider and no wonder you like it. CTyankee Jul 2019 #27

This is why i favor the ACA. MFA would be hugely disruptive and destroy our political chances and Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #29

Except that people like Medicare. That's the point of calling it Medicare for All. CTyankee Jul 2019 #31

People like Medicare because the premiums are low MichMan Jul 2019 #38

Every other country in the world has figured it out. And their populations don't want our system CTyankee Jul 2019 #39

Most if not all have 15-20 % VAT MichMan Jul 2019 #40

i presume that if they hate that VAT they would vote to abandon it and put in another system. CTyankee Jul 2019 #41

See that is the thing...the majority of folks don't like it if private insurance goes away...and for Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #45

Also business will just use any savings to buy back their stock...My insurance Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #30

We compete with other nations of the world where the workers essentially have MFA. CTyankee Jul 2019 #32

We compete with workers who have no health care of any sort...in third world countries. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #46

We do not compete with European countries? CTyankee Jul 2019 #49

Depends on the type of business MichMan Jul 2019 #50

Speaking of autos, the Italians have an interesting history in auto making. CTyankee Jul 2019 #56

They are not the issue...the problem is third world hell holes. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #58

We are working on only competing with Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #64

A single payer system doesn't outlaw private insurance any more than Medicare outlaws it beachbum bob Jul 2019 #33

of course. Makes good sense. CTyankee Jul 2019 #34

the problem is the understanding. To some the MFA sounds way too socialistic and unknown beachbum bob Jul 2019 #35

It is ironic because the reason Dems came up with Medicare for All is that people know Medicare CTyankee Jul 2019 #37

That is a great idea...but I still don't want MFA. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #47

I am 100% service-connected disabled and the VA pays for everything Everyman Jackal Jul 2019 #44

I agree with that.... Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #48

actually the m4a that bernie is discribing is very much like what u have questionseverything Jul 2019 #53

It looks good. Everyman Jackal Jul 2019 #54

yes the medicare part is just because it is well known questionseverything Jul 2019 #66

No it isn't...and I shudder to think what would happen to such a plan if the GOP were in control... Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #59

:) Keep pointing this out! The VA is genuine socialized medicine. Hortensis Jul 2019 #61

This thread is a hot mess of people peacocking about their privilege Politicub Jul 2019 #62

Medicare for all would still need private insurance on the side Marrah_Goodman Jul 2019 #65

All group insurance was called socialist when it first started tirebiter Jul 2019 #76