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42. Because we want to find a way for doctors to do 33% more work for 50% less money

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:56 AM

Jul 2019

We want universal access to healthcare? That means doctors start treating the 25% of the country that's avoiding treatments now. That's 33% more work.

We want to save money on healthcare? That means doctors need to make about 50% of what they do now, like in Europe.

If we change how and for what doctors are paid, doctors will see different people. We need to stop pretending this isn't the case. Lots of independent practices would end up going out of business and consolidating. Doctors will need to be incented to move from lucrative overserved areas to underserved areas. Lots of hospitals will need to close (we have way too many hospitals as it is). It's willful blindness to pretend that everybody will be able to keep the medical providers they have now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Here's what I don't understand about the question on "outlawing" private insurance. [View all] CTyankee Jul 2019 OP

In most countries with national health insurance, I think-- dawg day Jul 2019 #1

But this is killing us in the polls. It makes us out to be completely out of touch with the needs of CTyankee Jul 2019 #2

Sanders' plan is extremist and unpassable of course, Hortensis Jul 2019 #60

I know in England you can buy health insurance. oldsoftie Jul 2019 #8

Employer provided health insurance was an outgrowth of wage freezes in WWII Xipe Totec Jul 2019 #3

MFA is a losing stand. Repealing Obamacare is Political suicide redstateblues Jul 2019 #51

outlawing is a perjorative word. cancel or eliminate would be a bit more neutral nt msongs Jul 2019 #4

Yes, it is a loaded word, which is why the networks used it. I thought it was strange when I first CTyankee Jul 2019 #5

Are you sure you heard the word "outlaw" on the networks? thesquanderer Jul 2019 #7

But people who are happy with what they have arent going to trust govt to replace it. oldsoftie Jul 2019 #9

Perhaps I did. I remember being somewhat shocked to hear it. CTyankee Jul 2019 #10

2 things: You were already on Medicare, so Obamacare didn't really affect you, and... thesquanderer Jul 2019 #36

It is the same thing...it is madness to run on MFA. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #21

Political Suicide redstateblues Jul 2019 #52

+1 emmaverybo Jul 2019 #55

I really like Biden's plan...and I think most primary voters who want to win will too. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #57

Exactly...consider what happened to Clinton care... we lost the House and the Senate...and that was Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #73

It's not madness. BlueWI Jul 2019 #71

It is not about a difference of opinion...it is clearly what the voters will do...and that is Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #72

In 2016 voters elected a racist whose platform was BlueWI Jul 2019 #74

He promised to improve healthcare...with something better...but the polls are clear...and Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #75

One can purchase private insurance in Canada. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #6

What do you mean by "things more complex" than regular care? I don't understand... CTyankee Jul 2019 #11

I was a Federal employee. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #12

That needs to be improved, obviously. It is terrible what your family went through. CTyankee Jul 2019 #14

Agreed. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #15

Unfortunately people aren't aware of how private insurance companies are an integral part... George II Jul 2019 #13

Thanks for your explanation, George. Cha Jul 2019 #17

Still have that bridge for sale Lordquinton Jul 2019 #23

Medicare doesn't cover dental work. George II Jul 2019 #28

Most private insurance doesn't cover it either Lordquinton Jul 2019 #43

Gee, then how could Warren and Sanders and (???) raise their... LAS14 Jul 2019 #67

Not to put them down, but as I've been saying for months (years?)..... George II Jul 2019 #68

I've always compared health insurance to education question everything Jul 2019 #16

I found the question ridiculous and the answers pandering, but... TreasonousBastard Jul 2019 #18

However we phrase it - its a terrible idea to tell ooky Jul 2019 #19

That is not the issue,. People don't want to be forced on MFA and lose workplace insurance. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #20

Much too much confusion on the health care issue, elleng Jul 2019 #22

In Canada it is literally illegal to provide private insurance for a covered procedure Recursion Jul 2019 #24

How did you get from replacing your crappy Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #25

Because we want to find a way for doctors to do 33% more work for 50% less money Recursion Jul 2019 #42

That's a lot of assumptions. Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #63

Yes, there is Recursion Jul 2019 #70

I do wonder about the the supply of doctors under plans that greatly increase the number of insured VarryOn Jul 2019 #69

My current health insurance that I have through my employer eilen Jul 2019 #26

But this makes your employer your health care financial provider and no wonder you like it. CTyankee Jul 2019 #27

This is why i favor the ACA. MFA would be hugely disruptive and destroy our political chances and Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #29

Except that people like Medicare. That's the point of calling it Medicare for All. CTyankee Jul 2019 #31

People like Medicare because the premiums are low MichMan Jul 2019 #38

Every other country in the world has figured it out. And their populations don't want our system CTyankee Jul 2019 #39

Most if not all have 15-20 % VAT MichMan Jul 2019 #40

i presume that if they hate that VAT they would vote to abandon it and put in another system. CTyankee Jul 2019 #41

See that is the thing...the majority of folks don't like it if private insurance goes away...and for Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #45

Also business will just use any savings to buy back their stock...My insurance Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #30

We compete with other nations of the world where the workers essentially have MFA. CTyankee Jul 2019 #32

We compete with workers who have no health care of any sort...in third world countries. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #46

We do not compete with European countries? CTyankee Jul 2019 #49

Depends on the type of business MichMan Jul 2019 #50

Speaking of autos, the Italians have an interesting history in auto making. CTyankee Jul 2019 #56

They are not the issue...the problem is third world hell holes. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #58

We are working on only competing with Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #64

A single payer system doesn't outlaw private insurance any more than Medicare outlaws it beachbum bob Jul 2019 #33

of course. Makes good sense. CTyankee Jul 2019 #34

the problem is the understanding. To some the MFA sounds way too socialistic and unknown beachbum bob Jul 2019 #35

It is ironic because the reason Dems came up with Medicare for All is that people know Medicare CTyankee Jul 2019 #37

That is a great idea...but I still don't want MFA. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #47

I am 100% service-connected disabled and the VA pays for everything Everyman Jackal Jul 2019 #44

I agree with that.... Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #48

actually the m4a that bernie is discribing is very much like what u have questionseverything Jul 2019 #53

It looks good. Everyman Jackal Jul 2019 #54

yes the medicare part is just because it is well known questionseverything Jul 2019 #66

No it isn't...and I shudder to think what would happen to such a plan if the GOP were in control... Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #59

:) Keep pointing this out! The VA is genuine socialized medicine. Hortensis Jul 2019 #61

This thread is a hot mess of people peacocking about their privilege Politicub Jul 2019 #62

Medicare for all would still need private insurance on the side Marrah_Goodman Jul 2019 #65

All group insurance was called socialist when it first started tirebiter Jul 2019 #76