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In reply to the discussion: Biden says he was deceived by Bush on Iraq [View all]StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)39. Obama never said, suggested or alluded he would have voted for the war
He was against the resolution from the beginning.
Here's the speech he gave on the very day of the the Iraq War Resolution vote.
But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the middle east, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars.
So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the President today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings. You want a fight, President Bush?
Let's fight to make sure that the UN inspectors can do their work, and that we vigorously enforce a non-proliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe. You want a fight, President Bush?
Let's fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells. You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil, through an energy policy that doesn't simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil. Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair.
The consequences of war are dire, the sacrifices immeasurable. We may have occasion in our lifetime to once again rise up in defense of our freedom, and pay the wages of war. But we ought not -- we will not -- travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain.
https://web.archive.org/web/20070418194951/http://www.barackobama.com/2002/10/02/remarks_of_illinois_state_sen.php
So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the President today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings. You want a fight, President Bush?
Let's fight to make sure that the UN inspectors can do their work, and that we vigorously enforce a non-proliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe. You want a fight, President Bush?
Let's fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells. You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil, through an energy policy that doesn't simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil. Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair.
The consequences of war are dire, the sacrifices immeasurable. We may have occasion in our lifetime to once again rise up in defense of our freedom, and pay the wages of war. But we ought not -- we will not -- travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain.
https://web.archive.org/web/20070418194951/http://www.barackobama.com/2002/10/02/remarks_of_illinois_state_sen.php
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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21 Democratic senators weren't fooled either. Neither was Sanders or 126 Dem house members. nt
thesquanderer
Jul 2019
#4
Voting to support regime change is NOT the same as voting for troops on the ground!
thesquanderer
Jul 2019
#136
Fact remains Sanders was fine with forcing Sadaam out of power and that meanst
Nuggets
Jul 2019
#142
re: "Sanders was fine with forcing Sadaam out of power and that meanst means military efforts"
thesquanderer
Jul 2019
#143
Ditto... an administration staffed with known warmongers, not to mention the O-I-L.
SMC22307
Jul 2019
#96
As it was with so many others that were deceived. Anyone but me remember Collin Powell's
Thekaspervote
Jul 2019
#2
The Mother Of All Dream Tickets!! tRumpty Dumbty would be history, without a doubt!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jul 2019
#89
Okay, call it deception. I call it a complete lie. This is why Bush/Cheney should face war crimes.
YOHABLO
Jul 2019
#60
I think he's already said Republicans would work with him if he became President. I'm
jalan48
Jul 2019
#7
Of course Joe did...was painfully obvious to anyone takin the time to evaluate the lack of evidence!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jul 2019
#78
Hard to believe, that's for sure... even harder that some can't accept responsibility.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jul 2019
#98
I'm a little surprised to hear Joe make excuses like that... Bernie sure wasn't fooled by Shrub!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jul 2019
#76
So is the campaign that hires people to high positions in their campaign who not only voted for Jill
still_one
Jul 2019
#21
I find someone who was instrumental in giving us Trump even more disqualifying.
Amimnoch
Jul 2019
#48
That's the go to excuse/justification for Dem pols confronted with their vote for AUMF
Jake Stern
Jul 2019
#23
Amazing isn't it?!?! I seem to recall Hillary getting that one right and admitting her mistake.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jul 2019
#84
Right! This like Harry Reid trusting McConnell. Or Biden trusting McConnell, for that matter.
JudyM
Jul 2019
#61
Why isn't anyone claiming Iraq War vote is off limits because Obama picked him as VP?
StarfishSaver
Jul 2019
#34
Yet he took a different position once he was a candidate for president and as President.
wyldwolf
Jul 2019
#51
Why do you think this is mocking? The mocking' is you second guessing Obama's VP choice
wyldwolf
Jul 2019
#54
Just like insisting that Biden can't have his civil rights record questioned because Obama picked hi
StarfishSaver
Jul 2019
#117
But Biden didn't claim he might have voted differently if he had access to the intelligence
StarfishSaver
Jul 2019
#119
Lol...get a grip, Wolf. HRC wins easily in 2008 if she had voted against IWR
BeyondGeography
Jul 2019
#77
Those were caucus states and Mark Penn the genius didn't have a plan for them
BeyondGeography
Jul 2019
#109
He didn't say he would have voted differently. He was giving an out to those who did
StarfishSaver
Jul 2019
#43
Why do you seem to have difficulty engaging in discussions with me without being uncivil?
StarfishSaver
Jul 2019
#47
I am really done with this argument. A lot was going on in 2003 and we ignore it all to use it as
silentEcho
Jul 2019
#37
Judgment at that time mattered, and the fruits of that invasion continue to this day.
JudyM
Jul 2019
#62
So do the facts of the time and the actual vote that was taken, but we never discuss that.
silentEcho
Jul 2019
#70
i am in complete agreement with you that the facts matter. Not that past judgment calls don't.
JudyM
Jul 2019
#93
I like Joe, but c'mon own up to it. We all knew Bush and Cheney were not telling the truth.
End_Electoral
Jul 2019
#65
Neither is someone appointing people who proudly voted for Jill Stein and encouraging others to do
still_one
Jul 2019
#92
Sorry, no excuse for those that contributed to where we are today, by voting for Stein over the
still_one
Jul 2019
#121
He admits the mistake and let's not forget that he and Barack ended it 8 years later:
ucrdem
Jul 2019
#100
"'US forces are needed here.' After 15 years, fight in Iraq not over March 20, 2018 "
Kaleva
Jul 2019
#108
It's disqualifyingly poor judgment (in believing GWB), or he's dissembling (in claiming deception).
RockRaven
Jul 2019
#101
many were, the only SINGLE person who could have impacted this WAS COLIN POWELL and he
beachbum bob
Jul 2019
#111
Votes matter, going along with the crowd should not be a factor with something this important.
JudyM
Jul 2019
#114
That's the one thing I fear about Biden - he like to be liked and seems to have a tendency
walkingman
Jul 2019
#126