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wyldwolf

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20. It's totally a left / right issue
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 10:10 PM
Jul 2019

And if people were being politically smart, they'd be storming the headquarters of McConnel or disrupting Trump rallies. But no, they can't do that.

Here's a great example of the quixotic, monkish, fantasy-based solipsism of "progressives."

Let's say that only 40% of the people have healthcare. The left says 100% of the people should have healthcare. Every once in a while, left-wing politicians introduce legislation (that never leaves committee) providing healthcare to 100% of the people. The fact that these bills never pass does not register with them or their base - the mere symbolic act of advocating them is considered an achievement in itself, sufficient and perfect, because the reality that no one is actually getting healthcare because of them is considered immaterial. None of these politicians are penalized by their base for doing nothing to actually create healthcare for real people - in fact, they're rewarded for "standing firm" in the face of reality.

Now suppose a pragmatic liberal politician gets a bill passed that increases the percentage of people with healthcare from 50% to 80%, and this is the first time in, say, thirty years that anyone has significantly increased the proportion of people with healthcare. Any remotely sane progressive would be over the Moon at this accomplishment, doubling the provision of healthcare to the American people, right? But in the negative psychology of the American left, that's not what just happened: That bill did not just double healthcare, it cut it from 100% down to 80%. And thus the liberal politician who just saved millions of lives is not a liberal at all, but some kind of Republican Lite or corrupt Betrayer who "sold out" the remaining 20% in some kind of smoke-filled backroom deal with cigar-smoking Mayflower descendents.

Same thing here. Obama/Biden did more for immigration than any in modern times in spite of a hostile congress and SCOTUS. But they're being punished for by so-called "activists" because the couldn't wave a magic wand to overcome legislative and constitutional blocks. Such infantile behavior deserves to be mocked.

Eleanor Roosevelt responded to these types in a letter to members of the DNC in 1935, in response to heavy criticism that her husband was getting from the left:

"The ups and downs in peoples’ feelings, particularly on the liberal side, are an old, old story. The liberals always get discouraged when they do not see the measures they are interested in go through immediately. Considering the time we have had to work in the past for almost every slight improvement, I should think they might get over it, but they never do."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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The Trumpsters customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #1
just today bigtree Jul 2019 #2
which, of course, isn't a good comparison wyldwolf Jul 2019 #5
Exactly.. trying to compare the article to Cha Jul 2019 #11
This article has nothing to do with Cha Jul 2019 #10
I wonder who Santiago is backing for president. More importantly oasis Jul 2019 #3
Meet Catalina Santiago -- a DACA resident fighting Donald Trump for her undocumented parents. bigtree Jul 2019 #4
which doesn't answer Oasis's questions. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #6
oh, yes it does. bigtree Jul 2019 #7
Oh no it doesn't. Quote the lines where the questions are answered. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #8
That is the question. nt emmaverybo Jul 2019 #9
Must be Putin. Applegate Jul 2019 #31
"Research" often involves the asking of questions. oasis Jul 2019 #33
Last line says it all. Never mind what WAS done, it only matters what WASNT. Idiots. oldsoftie Jul 2019 #12
reminds me of folks pressing for civil rights bigtree Jul 2019 #13
my earlier reply stands wyldwolf Jul 2019 #14
i agree with your assessment. nt oldsoftie Jul 2019 #16
that happens, especially in campaigns bigtree Jul 2019 #17
No, in a certain corner of the left, it's a daily thing wyldwolf Jul 2019 #18
it's not that immigrant rights is a 'left' thing bigtree Jul 2019 #19
It's totally a left / right issue wyldwolf Jul 2019 #20
again, a little far afield of what this woman is advocating for bigtree Jul 2019 #22
Nope, she and those applauding her are a perfect case study for what I wrote. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #23
FDR was bold and progressive, but he left a lot of people out in the cold on Social Security: bigtree Jul 2019 #29
uh, yeah, that's the point wyldwolf Jul 2019 #42
but you're castigating these folks for advocating for the rest of their rights bigtree Jul 2019 #44
A major fallacy in that statement. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #45
you say their statement is an 'attack' bigtree Jul 2019 #46
and it is wyldwolf Jul 2019 #47
I posted an account of this woman's activism against Trump bigtree Jul 2019 #48
oh good for her. But she's attacking those who would help her, very counterproductive wyldwolf Jul 2019 #50
+1 Amazing quote from ER treestar Jul 2019 #55
Demanding more of Obama on this was absurd treestar Jul 2019 #54
That isn't the same treestar Jul 2019 #53
I wonder if they even acknowledged what Cha Jul 2019 #15
read the exchange above with Bigtree. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #49
People reaching for the moon better wake up and smell the coffee. oasis Jul 2019 #21
they might just think another candidate than the one you choose bigtree Jul 2019 #24
So you're saying they're purposely protesting the wrong target wyldwolf Jul 2019 #25
they obviously disagree with your analysis, 'purposely' assigning blame where they feel it belongs bigtree Jul 2019 #26
then they're misguided. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #43
seems to be just protesting rather than treestar Jul 2019 #56
Santiago needs to chill and stop trying to publicly embarrass oasis Jul 2019 #27
"our best chance" bigtree Jul 2019 #28
I hate that anyone had to get deported Cha Jul 2019 #34
I have sympathy for all in the DACA program and their relatives. oasis Jul 2019 #36
+1 treestar Jul 2019 #57
Someone on Medicare can protest the poor state of the American halth care system DBoon Jul 2019 #30
Protesters are "barking up the wrong tree" in this case. nt oasis Jul 2019 #37
but who should they protest? those who want to expand coverage or those who don't? wyldwolf Jul 2019 #40
focusing on the system treestar Jul 2019 #58
"Florida-based activist" ucrdem Jul 2019 #32
I don't get it? Cha Jul 2019 #35
Florida is ground zero for GOP astroturf and assorted dirty tricks ucrdem Jul 2019 #38
Oh thank you.. Cha Jul 2019 #39
That could be too. ucrdem Jul 2019 #41
If you have some evidence that this is some GOP operation, present it. Applegate Jul 2019 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author Applegate Jul 2019 #52
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