Democratic Primaries

marylandblue

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70. I don't mind it at all. I'm perfectly fine with Biden. I just think there is a deeper wave coming.

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:27 PM

Jul 2019

The center is a moving target. Sometimes it moves a little, and occasionally it moves a lot. Since Reagan, the two parties differed mostly on social issues but on economic issue they were pretty similar. Low taxes, free trade and deregulation are all good. Democrats wanted slightly higher taxes, slightly more regulation, and a little more job protection on trade. Democrats wanted universal health care and Republicans didn't. Most people agreed with Republicans.

But now, most people want higher taxes, don't want free trade, believe in climate change, hate their bank, want universal healthcare, and don't care who you marry. So the "center" has shifted left to somewhere within the Democratic Party. It might be closer to Biden than Warren, or maybe the other way around. Elections help define the new center, and whoever is closest to it wins the election.

It's not set in stone. IMO, it's hard to say how these redefining elections will turn out. All I'm sure about is we won't end up anywhere near what most people thought in 2015.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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'Trump's Going to Get Re-elected, Isn't He?' (New York Times editorial by Thomas L. Friedman) [View all] Odoreida Jul 2019 OP

Trump/racist pig is now getting his ass handed to him on a platter. stonecutter357 Jul 2019 #1

Radical???What the hell would you call Trump? Moderate? walkingman Jul 2019 #2

A republican The Mouth Jul 2019 #42

Here in rural Texas I am surrounded by these folks. I thought I would enjoy living in the country walkingman Jul 2019 #44

Self Fulfilling Prophecy? Me. Jul 2019 #3

Absolute shit article. All the wealthy are coming out of the woodwork NRaleighLiberal Jul 2019 #4

Read the article before commenting on the headline OKNancy Jul 2019 #5

He does indeed. cwydro Jul 2019 #8

Yup, we have a very bad habit of projecting DU's stances onto the broader electorate and party base Amishman Jul 2019 #86

Article is behind a paywall. bluewater Jul 2019 #9

Yes, I had to open it customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #28

Harris, Biden and Warren aren't McGovern types at all. comradebillyboy Jul 2019 #75

Biden, definitely not customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #89

No rockfordfile Jul 2019 #95

A big part of McGovern's pitch customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #96

What does McGovern type even mean? BlueWI Jul 2019 #79

When I said that customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #90

Sure. So we have a sample size of 1 election BlueWI Jul 2019 #91

All of that is true customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #94

When has the more progressive candidate been nominated since 1972? BlueWI Jul 2019 #98

The same can be said over at the GOP customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #99

not really qazplm135 Jul 2019 #11

+1 Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #13

No a moderate Democrat can win...so it is probably Trump or a moderate Democrat. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #15

oh stop qazplm135 Jul 2019 #18

I agree. There's lots of time left for him to say more stupid things. zackymilly Jul 2019 #23

Meh Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #34

If that's the genius plan it's not so genius. ucrdem Jul 2019 #74

Seriously True Dough Jul 2019 #76

it's a sign of desperation and fear qazplm135 Jul 2019 #83

That's exactly what it boils down to. Biden or lose. ucrdem Jul 2019 #73

Have you ever considered, it is probably true? Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #19

I'm sure they want Trump gone qazplm135 Jul 2019 #21

I am actually a pragmatic liberal...I want all the progressive goodies. However, I have worked Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #26

Sorry, but unless you are one of the tiny handful of political operatives who marylandblue Jul 2019 #33

No, despite Comey and the rest, I thought Clinton would pull it off...but 2016 Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #39

Right, so you are in the same boat as 99% of the Democratic Party, marylandblue Jul 2019 #51

I have argued about trade and issues to do with the blue wall for years...and although I thought Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #61

Glad you mentioned trade. Warren's message on trade is closer to Trump's than Biden is. marylandblue Jul 2019 #63

Sorry qazplm135 Jul 2019 #38

What don't you believe? Her personal experience? Cha Jul 2019 #57

But what about my pony? :) BootinUp Jul 2019 #37

The serfs, peasants and peons that make up the majority of Americans democratisphere Jul 2019 #6

SUMMARY: Democrats should run on "National unity and good jobs" andym Jul 2019 #7

I don't disagree with the Times. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #17

Same here. Running on jobs, normalcy, and stability is a winner. nt. eilen Jul 2019 #81

Lately? comradebillyboy Jul 2019 #10

Not if there is breath left in my body. IrishEyes Jul 2019 #12

They're trying to make this a self-fulfilling prophecy Blue_Tires Jul 2019 #14

You can look at the electoral college map and see where we need votes...in red and/or purple areas Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #16

yeah qazplm135 Jul 2019 #20

You know people of color people actually do live in Ohio and other rust belt states...but it isn't Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #22

Or a cautionary tale peggysue2 Jul 2019 #30

If all we cared about was 'appeal and reach' Blue_Tires Jul 2019 #31

We better care about 'appeal and reach' peggysue2 Jul 2019 #43

Hillary had both so we'll need more than that Blue_Tires Jul 2019 #46

Hello? This is not 2016 peggysue2 Jul 2019 #50

And what about Ohio+Virginia Blue_Tires Jul 2019 #84

If knowledge and experience won elections, we never would have had marylandblue Jul 2019 #52

We're looking at the real damage this Administration has wreaked on . . . peggysue2 Jul 2019 #55

If winning is everything then what happens after winning is nothing. marylandblue Jul 2019 #56

What? peggysue2 Jul 2019 #58

Correct, we need to win, but my point is that you have a disconnect. marylandblue Jul 2019 #59

Trump barely won in three states...and if we rebuild the blue wall , we win...they are not panting Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #64

I don't mind it at all. I'm perfectly fine with Biden. I just think there is a deeper wave coming. marylandblue Jul 2019 #70

marylandblue, you and I simply aren't going to agree on this one peggysue2 Jul 2019 #66

Friedman and the media hacks are more afraid of tRump than are the Rs. stopbush Jul 2019 #24

CONCLUSION, if interested:*Ask Gina Raimondo, Rhode Island's governor, and my kind of Democrat. elleng Jul 2019 #25

Combine this excerpt with the one I quoted above and in a separate OP andym Jul 2019 #27

Yes, thanks, saw that; elleng Jul 2019 #29

I agree with that. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #40

Most POTUS are re-elected for second term unless the economy is bad Gothmog Jul 2019 #32

Bush Sr was a 1-term'er onetexan Jul 2019 #35

Remember Clinton's campaign theme-"It's the Economy Stupid" Gothmog Jul 2019 #36

That saying was actually coined by James Carville onetexan Jul 2019 #45

Carvell worked for Clinton Gothmog Jul 2019 #69

Yes im cognizant of that. It was while he was Clinton's onetexan Jul 2019 #85

Stop exagerrating. There is no way Sanders loses 45+ states. Too many people have already decided marylandblue Jul 2019 #53

Sure but they don't live in the states we need...we end up winning the popular vote and losing the Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #65

Yes sanders could easily lose 45+ states Gothmog Jul 2019 #68

There has been one debate with many months to go. Friedman is a voice of the moderates. Politicub Jul 2019 #41

The voters in states that helped Trump win by a small margin...MI, WI and PA are not Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #47

How do you know what those voters think? marylandblue Jul 2019 #54

I live in the rust belt and have lived in all three states ....at one time or the other...these Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #60

I've lived and worked in a lot of other places, come from a blue collar family, marylandblue Jul 2019 #62

Clinton was blamed for NAFTA....and Sanders wouldn't win today...This is not 2016 and Trump is an Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #67

Sometimes you'll encounter someone who True Dough Jul 2019 #78

A lot of union members voted for Trump. eilen Jul 2019 #82

My uncle voted for Trump, and he was a union member for his entire career. Politicub Jul 2019 #88

You are a focus group of one. Just because you live somewhere doesn't mean Politicub Jul 2019 #87

I respect Tom Friedman True Dough Jul 2019 #77

Frank Bruni said much the same in his column too. cwydro Jul 2019 #48

His books get anywhere from 3.5-4 stars. Once really a fan, He lost me over "the world is flat." Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #49

Democrats don't have too many friends at the NY Times. comradebillyboy Jul 2019 #71

Another media millionaire telling us change can wait melman Jul 2019 #72

Im tired of listening MFM008 Jul 2019 #80

I guess it's bad to be progressive because you'll lose but being a Fascist racist book_worm Jul 2019 #92

Freidman is, and always has been, an ass. NNadir Jul 2019 #93

The Democrats will nominate a person who cannot win. Everyman Jackal Jul 2019 #97