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BlueWI

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98. When has the more progressive candidate been nominated since 1972?

Sat Jul 20, 2019, 11:19 PM

Jul 2019

1984: Jesse Jackson and possibly Gary Hart were more liberal than the nominee
1988: Jackson at minimum
1992: Jerry Brown and arguably Paul Tsongas and Paul Simon over Clinton
1996 and 2000: no real challenger
2004: Kucinich and probably Dean over Kerry
2008: Obama arguably more liberal than Clinton by a nose, mostly because of how he was perceived culturally
2012: no challenger
2016: Sanders

Liberals have generally not won the nomination, but they invariably face an uphill battle against a perception of being unelectible. But when moderates lose, nothing is rethought about this assumption.

So, as a liberal, I can count on the candidates with the boldest and most specific policies not to get the nomination, including Inslee. Ex-vice presidents seem to be popular among Democrats, although the last one to win was LBJ.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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'Trump's Going to Get Re-elected, Isn't He?' (New York Times editorial by Thomas L. Friedman) [View all] Odoreida Jul 2019 OP

Trump/racist pig is now getting his ass handed to him on a platter. stonecutter357 Jul 2019 #1

Radical???What the hell would you call Trump? Moderate? walkingman Jul 2019 #2

A republican The Mouth Jul 2019 #42

Here in rural Texas I am surrounded by these folks. I thought I would enjoy living in the country walkingman Jul 2019 #44

Self Fulfilling Prophecy? Me. Jul 2019 #3

Absolute shit article. All the wealthy are coming out of the woodwork NRaleighLiberal Jul 2019 #4

Read the article before commenting on the headline OKNancy Jul 2019 #5

He does indeed. cwydro Jul 2019 #8

Yup, we have a very bad habit of projecting DU's stances onto the broader electorate and party base Amishman Jul 2019 #86

Article is behind a paywall. bluewater Jul 2019 #9

Yes, I had to open it customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #28

Harris, Biden and Warren aren't McGovern types at all. comradebillyboy Jul 2019 #75

Biden, definitely not customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #89

No rockfordfile Jul 2019 #95

A big part of McGovern's pitch customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #96

What does McGovern type even mean? BlueWI Jul 2019 #79

When I said that customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #90

Sure. So we have a sample size of 1 election BlueWI Jul 2019 #91

All of that is true customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #94

When has the more progressive candidate been nominated since 1972? BlueWI Jul 2019 #98

The same can be said over at the GOP customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #99

not really qazplm135 Jul 2019 #11

+1 Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #13

No a moderate Democrat can win...so it is probably Trump or a moderate Democrat. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #15

oh stop qazplm135 Jul 2019 #18

I agree. There's lots of time left for him to say more stupid things. zackymilly Jul 2019 #23

Meh Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #34

If that's the genius plan it's not so genius. ucrdem Jul 2019 #74

Seriously True Dough Jul 2019 #76

it's a sign of desperation and fear qazplm135 Jul 2019 #83

That's exactly what it boils down to. Biden or lose. ucrdem Jul 2019 #73

Have you ever considered, it is probably true? Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #19

I'm sure they want Trump gone qazplm135 Jul 2019 #21

I am actually a pragmatic liberal...I want all the progressive goodies. However, I have worked Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #26

Sorry, but unless you are one of the tiny handful of political operatives who marylandblue Jul 2019 #33

No, despite Comey and the rest, I thought Clinton would pull it off...but 2016 Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #39

Right, so you are in the same boat as 99% of the Democratic Party, marylandblue Jul 2019 #51

I have argued about trade and issues to do with the blue wall for years...and although I thought Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #61

Glad you mentioned trade. Warren's message on trade is closer to Trump's than Biden is. marylandblue Jul 2019 #63

Sorry qazplm135 Jul 2019 #38

What don't you believe? Her personal experience? Cha Jul 2019 #57

But what about my pony? :) BootinUp Jul 2019 #37

The serfs, peasants and peons that make up the majority of Americans democratisphere Jul 2019 #6

SUMMARY: Democrats should run on "National unity and good jobs" andym Jul 2019 #7

I don't disagree with the Times. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #17

Same here. Running on jobs, normalcy, and stability is a winner. nt. eilen Jul 2019 #81

Lately? comradebillyboy Jul 2019 #10

Not if there is breath left in my body. IrishEyes Jul 2019 #12

They're trying to make this a self-fulfilling prophecy Blue_Tires Jul 2019 #14

You can look at the electoral college map and see where we need votes...in red and/or purple areas Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #16

yeah qazplm135 Jul 2019 #20

You know people of color people actually do live in Ohio and other rust belt states...but it isn't Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #22

Or a cautionary tale peggysue2 Jul 2019 #30

If all we cared about was 'appeal and reach' Blue_Tires Jul 2019 #31

We better care about 'appeal and reach' peggysue2 Jul 2019 #43

Hillary had both so we'll need more than that Blue_Tires Jul 2019 #46

Hello? This is not 2016 peggysue2 Jul 2019 #50

And what about Ohio+Virginia Blue_Tires Jul 2019 #84

If knowledge and experience won elections, we never would have had marylandblue Jul 2019 #52

We're looking at the real damage this Administration has wreaked on . . . peggysue2 Jul 2019 #55

If winning is everything then what happens after winning is nothing. marylandblue Jul 2019 #56

What? peggysue2 Jul 2019 #58

Correct, we need to win, but my point is that you have a disconnect. marylandblue Jul 2019 #59

Trump barely won in three states...and if we rebuild the blue wall , we win...they are not panting Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #64

I don't mind it at all. I'm perfectly fine with Biden. I just think there is a deeper wave coming. marylandblue Jul 2019 #70

marylandblue, you and I simply aren't going to agree on this one peggysue2 Jul 2019 #66

Friedman and the media hacks are more afraid of tRump than are the Rs. stopbush Jul 2019 #24

CONCLUSION, if interested:*Ask Gina Raimondo, Rhode Island's governor, and my kind of Democrat. elleng Jul 2019 #25

Combine this excerpt with the one I quoted above and in a separate OP andym Jul 2019 #27

Yes, thanks, saw that; elleng Jul 2019 #29

I agree with that. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #40

Most POTUS are re-elected for second term unless the economy is bad Gothmog Jul 2019 #32

Bush Sr was a 1-term'er onetexan Jul 2019 #35

Remember Clinton's campaign theme-"It's the Economy Stupid" Gothmog Jul 2019 #36

That saying was actually coined by James Carville onetexan Jul 2019 #45

Carvell worked for Clinton Gothmog Jul 2019 #69

Yes im cognizant of that. It was while he was Clinton's onetexan Jul 2019 #85

Stop exagerrating. There is no way Sanders loses 45+ states. Too many people have already decided marylandblue Jul 2019 #53

Sure but they don't live in the states we need...we end up winning the popular vote and losing the Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #65

Yes sanders could easily lose 45+ states Gothmog Jul 2019 #68

There has been one debate with many months to go. Friedman is a voice of the moderates. Politicub Jul 2019 #41

The voters in states that helped Trump win by a small margin...MI, WI and PA are not Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #47

How do you know what those voters think? marylandblue Jul 2019 #54

I live in the rust belt and have lived in all three states ....at one time or the other...these Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #60

I've lived and worked in a lot of other places, come from a blue collar family, marylandblue Jul 2019 #62

Clinton was blamed for NAFTA....and Sanders wouldn't win today...This is not 2016 and Trump is an Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #67

Sometimes you'll encounter someone who True Dough Jul 2019 #78

A lot of union members voted for Trump. eilen Jul 2019 #82

My uncle voted for Trump, and he was a union member for his entire career. Politicub Jul 2019 #88

You are a focus group of one. Just because you live somewhere doesn't mean Politicub Jul 2019 #87

I respect Tom Friedman True Dough Jul 2019 #77

Frank Bruni said much the same in his column too. cwydro Jul 2019 #48

His books get anywhere from 3.5-4 stars. Once really a fan, He lost me over "the world is flat." Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #49

Democrats don't have too many friends at the NY Times. comradebillyboy Jul 2019 #71

Another media millionaire telling us change can wait melman Jul 2019 #72

Im tired of listening MFM008 Jul 2019 #80

I guess it's bad to be progressive because you'll lose but being a Fascist racist book_worm Jul 2019 #92

Freidman is, and always has been, an ass. NNadir Jul 2019 #93

The Democrats will nominate a person who cannot win. Everyman Jackal Jul 2019 #97