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silentEcho

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218. Franken himself knew he stepped over the line on this stuff. His people knew. Friends knew.

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 10:28 PM

Jul 2019

Doesn't mean he is not a good guy. Just stop invading space. And do not blame a woman when she said in his privilege he didn't care to curtail his grabbing because hey, that is just the type of guy he is.

That basically is what the me too discussion was about. All this stuff.

So no, I am not going to dismiss what the conversation was to play happy with Franken and his supporters.

The best I can give is I like the man, his voice, and I have no problem supporting him again, preferably not a victim, but a wiser and more controlled person. Unfortunately, this constant blame at the women that spoke out, Gillibrand and anyone that holds Franken accountable is only going to keep Franken in his victim mode. I am not the only Democratic woman to feel that we. We are tired of men being defined as physically obtuse, or a toucher and told we simply accept it. No. Supporters are becoming enablers. Just a thought from a different perspective.

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Gillibrand is so full of it. [View all] BlueStater Jul 2019 OP

She makes me weary. I'm hoping that after next week's debate she faces reality and drops out. George II Jul 2019 #1

Oh God yes. lark Jul 2019 #286

I think she gets too much heat... SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #2

It doesn't help that she tried to make money off of it for her campaign. BlueStater Jul 2019 #5

She bragged about it lame54 Jul 2019 #35

She's STILL bragging about it MurrayDelph Jul 2019 #56

She has yet to have had enough. bitterross Jul 2019 #93

There is no evidence Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #111

For those of us who lived in the three weeks of ROGER STONE'S sucker bet Baltimike Jul 2019 #126

OK If you know it for a fact Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #127

Yep. Right here for starters Baltimike Jul 2019 #138

more...DUers calling her office AS ROGER STONE'S SUCKER BET went down: Baltimike Jul 2019 #140

The article doesn't prove your allegations Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #146

it absolutely does. Nice try. No dice. Baltimike Jul 2019 #149

No it doesn't Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #155

Yes it does Baltimike Jul 2019 #161

The Politico article never mentions Franken. Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #165

it mentions her signature issue to be sxual harrassment Baltimike Jul 2019 #171

Opinions are not fact Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #172

Opinions are indeed VOTES though. YOU are the one insisting the goal post Baltimike Jul 2019 #175

Again please post facts Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #179

again please practice what you preach...the FACT is that Baltimike Jul 2019 #183

No I'm asking you to Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #187

I posted facts. You don't like them. Baltimike Jul 2019 #195

No you didn't Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #197

It shows the FACT that people witnessed her leading the charge...you just don't like that FACT Baltimike Jul 2019 #232

No the fact is Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #240

No, the FACT is that she lead the charge. Lots of calling her office(s) Baltimike Jul 2019 #250

No it is not Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #259

Yes it is Baltimike Jul 2019 #267

Nope Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #273

Yep. Baltimike Jul 2019 #279

Source ONE quote in the Politico article..that suggests she.. AncientGeezer Jul 2019 #291

Here is one in her defense Baltimike Jul 2019 #150

No Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #153

That's your *opinion*...that is not a fact. nt Baltimike Jul 2019 #176

So now you want facts? Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #180

Nope. I want you to practice what you preach and stop trying to have it both ways Baltimike Jul 2019 #182

So you are stating the fact that Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #186

No. You are gaslighting. I won't have any of it Baltimike Jul 2019 #233

It is not gaslighting Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #241

It is Baltimike Jul 2019 #247

No you didn't Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #257

Yes, I did Baltimike Jul 2019 #264

No you didn't Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #270

Yep...I did Baltimike Jul 2019 #280

You are right, Baltimike, and it's not just gaslighting, but it's spinning like a top mtnsnake Jul 2019 #262

thank you...nt Baltimike Jul 2019 #263

This message was self-deleted by its author Baltimike Jul 2019 #141

I self deleted because I posted the wrong link, here's more: Baltimike Jul 2019 #144

Yes, the Lindsey Menz claim riverwalker Jul 2019 #277

And Roger Stone was a prodigy Butterflylady Jul 2019 #129

And is there any evidence Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #157

Why does he have to be connected to the others? Baltimike Jul 2019 #234

Because if he wasn't Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #243

or they're Republicans too and wanted to further their cause Baltimike Jul 2019 #249

Actually some were Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #258

maybe that would've come out in a investigation that KIRSTEN GILIBRAND Baltimike Jul 2019 #266

It had already come out Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #272

More gaslighting. Baltimike Jul 2019 #282

IMO she's starting to remind me of the crack about Guiliani. "A noun, a verb and 9/11. brush Jul 2019 #102

Singling out Gillibrand, ignoring everyone else is unjust delisen Jul 2019 #105

I agree the others don't get enough kcr Jul 2019 #108

Post removed Post removed Jul 2019 #113

Wow Butterflylady Jul 2019 #131

So you admit Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #133

No...we refuse to let you gaslight us. nt Baltimike Jul 2019 #235

Again it is not gaslighting Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #244

Yes it is...because no FACT will convince you...you just keep gaslighting. nt Baltimike Jul 2019 #245

You are projecting Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #256

you are gaslighting Baltimike Jul 2019 #292

Oberliner breaks it down right here: Baltimike Jul 2019 #145

Oberliner... kcr Jul 2019 #151

lol...the links in the post. I didn't want to take credit for someone els'e work. nt Baltimike Jul 2019 #152

Oh, of course kcr Jul 2019 #154

wow...does the substance of the post subside Baltimike Jul 2019 #236

And as was state in that post Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #164

LOL Baltimike Jul 2019 #237

I did Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #246

the gasliughting continues Baltimike Jul 2019 #251

Again not gaslighting Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #260

Again...gaslighting. Nothing will suffice for you, so you keep gaslighting. nt Baltimike Jul 2019 #265

No I keep asking for evidence Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #271

No you keep gaslighting Baltimike Jul 2019 #281

Oberliner .... really? marble falls Jul 2019 #275

see post #152. nt Baltimike Jul 2019 #283

So we both would never ever want to take credit for an Oberliner post. But for different reasons ... marble falls Jul 2019 #285

I don't want to take credit for ANYONE else's post...ever Baltimike Jul 2019 #287

I stand by my comment. I'd never take credit for anything he had to say for any reason. marble falls Jul 2019 #288

as I stand by mine. wow. nt Baltimike Jul 2019 #290

This message was self-deleted by its author MrsCoffee Jul 2019 #276

Couldn't/Wouldn't Horizens Jul 2019 #3

that OhZone Jul 2019 #6

KG could've talked to the accusers, to assess credibility suegeo Jul 2019 #205

Many reasons she is not my favorite Marthe48 Jul 2019 #4

Gillibrand led the charge against Franken, she owns it and still doesn't beachbum bob Jul 2019 #7

And others feel over themselves to match her call. Blue_true Jul 2019 #45

Gillibrand led the charge against Franken, she owns it and still doesn't TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT IT !!! trueblue2007 Jul 2019 #92

No the truth is Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #114

Conjecture? djg21 Jul 2019 #184

No those are the facts Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #188

Lol, your own link says she's the first wellst0nev0ter Jul 2019 #207

No argument that she was first Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #231

Oh, so you were just playing semantics games wellst0nev0ter Jul 2019 #242

No I leave that to you Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #252

more gaslighting...because...WOW Baltimike Jul 2019 #255

I have no idea Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #261

on this, we agree...you certainly have no idea Baltimike Jul 2019 #268

Great Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #274

I already did...you keep gaslighting anyway. nt Baltimike Jul 2019 #278

There's PLENTY of evidence...you just refuse to see it Baltimike Jul 2019 #238

Great if there is so much evidence Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #248

define a credible source. to you. and then stop gaslighting Baltimike Jul 2019 #253

An unbiased news site Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #254

I don't like groping and all that - but - OhZone Jul 2019 #8

bottom line is, Al Franken is not a pervert Skittles Jul 2019 #11

Jay zus woman... Give it up. Geez LakeArenal Jul 2019 #9

Pffftttt....reminds me of those Dems who voted for Bush's BS War....... Bengus81 Jul 2019 #10

Except, in actuality, no Dems voted for Bush's war ... nor did any Repubs ... mr_lebowski Jul 2019 #103

Franken needed handlers to discuss and direct his behavior with others. But it is everyone else's silentEcho Jul 2019 #12

Handlers? /nt tonedevil Jul 2019 #14

Yes. silentEcho Jul 2019 #16

If you say so. /nt tonedevil Jul 2019 #20

The article that started this conversation says so. silentEcho Jul 2019 #21

Quote that part please. I cannot find it. Duppers Jul 2019 #47

Physically obtuse, being told to be aware of behavior. silentEcho Jul 2019 #54

Contrary to your intention in offering this tidbit, it actually SUPPORTS AL! pangaia Jul 2019 #66

The whole article supports Franken. Yes. It does. And it still tells us that Franken silentEcho Jul 2019 #69

His staff did tell him to cut back on some behaviors. But he didn't. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2019 #15

Right. silentEcho Jul 2019 #17

Apologies -- I read your post wrong. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2019 #19

You're doing the same thing Gillibrand is doing. BlueStater Jul 2019 #23

Oh, yes they are. They dismiss Frankens behavior consistently and constantly. silentEcho Jul 2019 #25

His "behavior", at the present time, is just allegations. BlueStater Jul 2019 #26

No. Thanks to Franken for not having the courage to stand up and address this. Geez, silentEcho Jul 2019 #28

He did. But Schumer forced his resignation (according to the new New Yorker article) Cetacea Jul 2019 #33

Did not force. Franken acquiesced. Democrats told him to step down, and he did. EIGHT women silentEcho Jul 2019 #36

franken stepping down was his only mistake questionseverything Jul 2019 #43

So it is the "idiots" fault. Lol. silentEcho Jul 2019 #46

same idiots that defunded acorn over a pimp video questionseverything Jul 2019 #48

Maybe you should just give it up.. pangaia Jul 2019 #68

You mean shut up? Not voice my opinion? No. Lol. silentEcho Jul 2019 #70

He could have told Schumer to go screw himself, that he was going to Blue_true Jul 2019 #49

... Cetacea Jul 2019 #75

Your point???????? He quit. He could have stayed and fought. nt Blue_true Jul 2019 #83

Any good dem would have fallen on his/her sword given the times Cetacea Jul 2019 #87

Most people dismissed Tweeden, until seven other women came forward. Blue_true Jul 2019 #90

Thanks Cetacea Jul 2019 #91

Here's why he chose not to stay: wellst0nev0ter Jul 2019 #208

Ok. It was hard. 8 accusations. It was not unreasonable for the Democratic senate to say enough silentEcho Jul 2019 #213

Three of the accusations were made by lying trumpanzees wellst0nev0ter Jul 2019 #219

First. There was a photo of him acting like a stupid teen boy impressing friends silentEcho Jul 2019 #221

The New Yorker Story poked holes in that photo wellst0nev0ter Jul 2019 #223

How did she attack more than the other Senators? Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #115

this. nt Baltimike Jul 2019 #239

The thread is about Gillibrand not owning her actions lame54 Jul 2019 #37

She owns them. Franken doesn't. Gillibrand does it without excuses. silentEcho Jul 2019 #40

She has not lame54 Jul 2019 #41

"But when the eighth person comes forward, there's a pattern. silentEcho Jul 2019 #44

So after accusations hit a certain number, they no longer deserve to be investigated? BlueStater Jul 2019 #58

They stated step down after 8 accusations. Franken could have easily said, he didn't do anything silentEcho Jul 2019 #60

No one was asking her or anyone else to "stand" with him. BlueStater Jul 2019 #64

After the 8th claim, they decided that was too much. silentEcho Jul 2019 #72

Investigating the allegations isn't about "standing" with him. BlueStater Jul 2019 #82

"Franken could have easily said, he didn't do anything" brooklynite Jul 2019 #77

We saw with the photo he was sophomorically insensitive if nothing else. silentEcho Jul 2019 #86

May I remind you that most of those alegations were not proven. pazzyanne Jul 2019 #67

" As soon as Al resigned - crickets." pangaia Jul 2019 #71

THIS!!! Baltimike Jul 2019 #284

One of the young woman was a Democratic party employee. Doing her job. silentEcho Jul 2019 #74

Sorry, you are preaching to the wrong audience! pazzyanne Jul 2019 #76

The New Yorker Piece covered that allegation wellst0nev0ter Jul 2019 #210

First the young Democratic woman was known, but not to us. silentEcho Jul 2019 #214

Read the article again wellst0nev0ter Jul 2019 #217

Ya, whatever. Too hard. silentEcho Jul 2019 #220

FWIW - None of this has "harmed her career" brooklynite Jul 2019 #225

Good point. You are right. She is at least tenth on my list. silentEcho Jul 2019 #226

Do you know who the eighth woman was? wellst0nev0ter Jul 2019 #209

No. He grabbed a part of her body and held on. That would be his physical obtusenss silentEcho Jul 2019 #215

You know it was a photo op, right? wellst0nev0ter Jul 2019 #216

Franken himself knew he stepped over the line on this stuff. His people knew. Friends knew. silentEcho Jul 2019 #218

Franken did not step over any line with that photo op wellst0nev0ter Jul 2019 #222

"Franken did not step over any line with that photo op" He didn't? I disagree. silentEcho Jul 2019 #224

We are talking about Tina Dupuy, right? wellst0nev0ter Jul 2019 #228

Satire I assume??? Nt USALiberal Jul 2019 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author trueblue2007 Jul 2019 #94

There was no bad behavior. Butterflylady Jul 2019 #137

I told her up front ... mntleo2 Jul 2019 #13

How was she the loudest? Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #117

As furious with her now as zentrum Jul 2019 #18

She's a political animal. djg21 Jul 2019 #22

Never say never. democratisphere Jul 2019 #31

Me too. zentrum Jul 2019 #38

She's a political animal who walked right into a right wing trap. dflprincess Jul 2019 #57

Didn't Alfonse D'amato help her ? Cetacea Jul 2019 #61

There is no evidence of that Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #116

Facts. djg21 Jul 2019 #173

So you're saying that Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #174

I'm saying grow up. djg21 Jul 2019 #177

What facts support your allegations? Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #178

Feel free to post some links to 'facts' that prove me wrong. djg21 Jul 2019 #185

No you're making the allegation Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #189

Here you are. djg21 Jul 2019 #200

No argument that she was first Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #201

Maybe, like Wellstone, the POB decided that PatrickforO Jul 2019 #42

What facts support your allegations? Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #119

You have to be pretty naive to zentrum Jul 2019 #206

That's not evidence Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #230

Never said it was "evidence". zentrum Jul 2019 #289

And yet my post was removed because it violated a rule... AZ8theist Jul 2019 #24

You are actually lucky that your post was just hidden. Blue_true Jul 2019 #53

Yeah, you're right ...(sigh..) AZ8theist Jul 2019 #106

I get your point. But sometimes it is better to not post at all if the emotions Blue_true Jul 2019 #198

What goes around, comes around. democratisphere Jul 2019 #27

Love Al but sorry. Don't do stupid things redstateblues Jul 2019 #29

People are putting all them blame on her. Blue_true Jul 2019 #55

What's right about calling for someone to step down based on allegations alone? BlueStater Jul 2019 #59

She is being hammered. 37 other Senators asked him to step down. Blue_true Jul 2019 #62

There are a few reasons why she's been singled out over most of them. BlueStater Jul 2019 #65

She was being attacked with virulence well before she decided to run Blue_true Jul 2019 #78

Primarily because a lot of people still question whether Franken was actually guilty of anything. BlueStater Jul 2019 #85

Franken could have sought due process. He chose to resign. Blue_true Jul 2019 #89

Except almost every Democrat in the senate already demanded he resigned standingtall Jul 2019 #97

I see your point, it would have been tough for him, but he could have chosen to fight on. Blue_true Jul 2019 #199

Please Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #123

So would you apply the same measure to Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #121

Absolutely. BlueStater Jul 2019 #193

True Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #194

I do NOT think that she will make the third debate Gothmog Jul 2019 #30

Neither will many others... brooklynite Jul 2019 #80

Take off the blinders ProfessionalLeft Jul 2019 #98

Actual voters don't care... brooklynite Jul 2019 #181

Booker is at 2%; Klobuchar is at 1%...what's their excuse? brooklynite Jul 2019 #190

An example of what a politician says when their plan to take credit for an action does awry. dem4decades Jul 2019 #32

I am certainly inclined to agree. PatrickforO Jul 2019 #34

"and yes, it is a soft spot..." brooklynite Jul 2019 #52

And then, from the New Yorker article question everything Jul 2019 #39

Her Doubling Down on Her Position Without Any Reflection is Why She'll Never Get Above 1-2%. Indykatie Jul 2019 #50

What's the excuse for all the other 1-2% candidates? brooklynite Jul 2019 #51

Who? ananda Jul 2019 #63

She thought it would make her look like a leader. He chose poorly! Nt USALiberal Jul 2019 #79

We're still angry with her because she collaborated with Roger Stone's ratfecking of Franken cp Jul 2019 #81

Keep digging that hole, Gillibrand. Polly Hennessey Jul 2019 #84

It's over, get a grip. oasis Jul 2019 #88

Don't get your hopes up... brooklynite Jul 2019 #95

It's not just the Franken incident susanr516 Jul 2019 #96

Great post! ProfessionalLeft Jul 2019 #99

A number of Dem pols made a major mistake when they Eyeball_Kid Jul 2019 #101

This ought to be an OP. Princetonian Jul 2019 #204

Thank you. susanr516 Jul 2019 #227

Randi Rhodes worked at Air America for 5 years when Al was there, OnDoutside Jul 2019 #100

Get Franken out of the way of WHAT? brooklynite Jul 2019 #107

That's not true. There were plenty of rumours about him running for President, especially around the OnDoutside Jul 2019 #167

Booker, Warren, Harris, Sanders called for Franken resignation delisen Jul 2019 #104

Were any of those folks anti-immigration like Gillibrand was when she pandered mtnsnake Jul 2019 #110

So you would have preferred a Republican get elected to that seat? Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #128

So you would prefer Donald J Trump for 4 more years? mtnsnake Jul 2019 #132

Non-sequiter Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #134

Why is it a non-sequiter? mtnsnake Jul 2019 #136

Because it is Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #142

The only other non-sequitor besides your other one is your initial question to me in post 128 mtnsnake Jul 2019 #147

No it wasn't Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #158

It was a silly question to ask, period mtnsnake Jul 2019 #162

Not silly Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #166

Gillibrand work on protecting women in military delisen Jul 2019 #202

She fell for ROGER STONE'S SUCKER BET. #notgettingmyprimaryvote....ever. nt Baltimike Jul 2019 #109

In which case, so did every other Democratic Senator brooklynite Jul 2019 #112

Nope. They rallied to her bandwagon, but she was at the helm Baltimike Jul 2019 #118

So you're saying we need a President who can rally every Senator to her side? brooklynite Jul 2019 #120

No...YOU'RE saying that. I'm saying we need a POTUS that doesn't fall for Baltimike Jul 2019 #122

Is there any evidence to show Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #124

So they were all just blind followers Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #125

No, it does not. MicaelS Jul 2019 #293

She still doesn't get. Butterflylady Jul 2019 #130

Does that apply to Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #135

Warren, Booker, Sanders and Harris?? How about citing some specifics in regards to mtnsnake Jul 2019 #139

Because they all Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #143

Who was the FIRST one of those four folks and Gillibrand to call for Franken's resignation? mtnsnake Jul 2019 #148

Gillibrand was but Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #156

Correct. Gillibrand was the first one to get the ball rolling on ousting Franken. mtnsnake Jul 2019 #159

So the others were all just blind followers? Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #160

Those are YOUR words, not mine. mtnsnake Jul 2019 #163

So they were not blind followers? Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #168

Why do you think they were blind followers, Trumpocalypse? mtnsnake Jul 2019 #169

I don't Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #170

Yes. Any Senator that called for Sen. Franken to resigns lacks judgement to be President. nt kelly1mm Jul 2019 #191

Thank you Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #192

SO you'll vote in the GE for someone without the judgement to be President? brooklynite Jul 2019 #196

She's so annoying sage41 Jul 2019 #203

Gillibrand is a champion for woman wellst0nev0ter Jul 2019 #211

Here's what I find absurd: KG didn't speak to any of the accusers to get a sense of how credible suegeo Jul 2019 #212

Not true. She talked to the congressional staffer. From the article: kcr Jul 2019 #229

Uh, yeah, there is a difference. BlueStater Jul 2019 #269

Gillibrand (not JM, the reporter) didn't talk to any accuser suegeo Jul 2019 #294

Oops. I'm sorry. I misread your post. kcr Jul 2019 #295

I really hope that this is Gillibrand's last DNC debate Gothmog Jul 2019 #296