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ehrnst

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21. So you're backing off your fallacious description of Joe Leiberman now that you got corrected
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 12:05 PM
Jul 2019

on his party affilliation when he voted on the public option, in an offhande effort to equate and on DU, smear, the political progressive cred of actual Democrats who didn't support the public option on the ACA with Joe Leiberman the Independent ?

Or not?

Because Obama is included in that group you're trying to casually damn. He dropped his support of it before the vote. Isn't that "killing it?"


It was during the post-9/11 years that Lieberman linked arms with Republicans Graham and McCain, two other hawks who, like their Democratic friend, were known to thwart their party. The trio traveled the world together and became known as the "Three Amigos." So high was their mutual regard that McCain reportedly wanted Lieberman to be his 2008 running mate, though he eventually succumbed to pressure to pick conservative Sarah Palin instead.

Still, Lieberman stood by his friend.

"In the Senate, during the three-and-a-half years that Sen. Barack Obama has been a member, he has not reached across party lines to ... accomplish anything significant, nor has he been willing to take on powerful interest groups in the Democratic Party to get something done," he said at the 2008 Republican convention.

Democrats viewed that speech as blasphemy.

"He could have given a speech defending John McCain, but instead he went on the offense and blistered Obama over his lack of foreign policy skills, which were a major Republican talking point," said Manley, a long-time senior aide to Harry Reid, the former Democratic Senate leader. "It caused a lot of ill will."


https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/19/politics/why-democrats-dont-like-joe-lieberman/index.html



Lol.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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funny, i see MFA as pragmatic, and plans that allay unfounded fears as idealistic floppyboo Jul 2019 #1
We already know what a public option is. We almost wasupaloopa Jul 2019 #3
Yeah. We almost had it but pragmatic centrists like Joe Lieberman killed it. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2019 #14
I don't think one could describe Lieberman as a centrist... ehrnst Jul 2019 #15
Lol. Ok. He's only a founding member of The New Democrat Senate Coalition Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2019 #16
lol. Ok. He hasn't been a Dem since 2006. The ACA was 2009/10. And you call ANY Democrat who didn't ehrnst Jul 2019 #18
Lol. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2019 #20
So you're backing off your fallacious description of Joe Leiberman now that you got corrected ehrnst Jul 2019 #21
If you look back and actually read what I said in my initial reply I didn't say he was a Democrat. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2019 #23
Nice try... ehrnst Jul 2019 #24
TL;DR Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2019 #25
Because of course you're "moving on." It's embarassing when someone calls you out on something you ehrnst Jul 2019 #26
Sadly, that's true. PatrickforO Jul 2019 #2
It looks like you said what I said with more words. wasupaloopa Jul 2019 #4
LOL, I've always been a bit verbose! PatrickforO Jul 2019 #5
Yeah, pragmatism worked out really well with progressoid Jul 2019 #6
They all spent their careers getting things done that help Americans. betsuni Jul 2019 #7
But did it get them elected president? progressoid Jul 2019 #8
I don't know what "status quo" means. betsuni Jul 2019 #9
You should learn what it means, it gets used a lot around here. aidbo Jul 2019 #13
Thank you for pointing it out. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #17
No. betsuni Jul 2019 #19
Money in politics is the existing state of affairs. Is it not? aidbo Jul 2019 #27
exactly, they actually do have a record of progress . not just talk about how nobody else is good JI7 Jul 2019 #10
+1 betsuni Jul 2019 #11
They did well in the opinions of their supporters. MineralMan Jul 2019 #12
I think Warren was pretty effective, Bernie not so much. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #22
You think she should smile more? tkmorris Jul 2019 #28
I think all politicians should smile more. Bernie doesn't smile. MineralMan Jul 2019 #29
I would like Warren to seriously entertain questions from within her own party about her emmaverybo Jul 2019 #30
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