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PatrickforO

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37. I'm thinking about it. Gabbard isn't going to make it deep in the primary,
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 11:30 AM
Aug 2019

Last edited Fri Aug 2, 2019, 02:11 AM - Edit history (1)

of course, so our discussion here is a bit of a moot point.

Still, it bothers me that someone who went and served this country in the forever war, then came back and was duly elected to the US Congress by the people of HI (and HI is pretty blue), is now labeled here as a DINO.

I can remember asking before, "Say, I've noticed lots of negativity on here towards Tulsi Gabbard. Why is that?" I received answers similar to what you have said in the post above. She is apparently guilty of 'cozying up.'

Now, I wonder why.

Let's do a bit of exploring what is in front of our eyes. First, as regards this site, there are many on here who absolutely despise Bernie, and Gabbard did resign as co-chair of the DNC to endorse Bernie in 2016. Unforgivable, and utterly horrible for about a third of the people on here, I think.

Now, I was a big Bernie supporter too, because I never thought the centrist philosophy was good for the American people or for our party. And, yes, I know Bernie is not a Democrat, and I'm supporting Warren now because she most closely matches my own philosophy. What lost me for Bernie was how many of his supporters stayed away from the polls or voted Stein. That was bad.

OK, so around here, for the majority, Bernie is anathema. It is true 2016 was a rancorous primary, and we could in fact write a book about it.

Gabbard was a soldier. She went and served this country in the forever war. Now she is anti-war. I saw a NBC hit-piece just yesterday on here condemning her for 'cozying up' to Assad. NBC said she was being promoted by 'known Russian' social media trolls. However, about two posts later in the thread, this NBC article was debunked. Apparently the guy running this particular troll farm has Republican, not Russian connections, though the line between those two is very...shall we say tenuous.

So she said, "Assad is not the enemy of the United States." Let's take that in the context of Gabbard's belief that we should not build an alliance to strike Syria and deepen the wars in the Mid-East. Since Russia and China were also opposed to military intervention, and at the time the US was touting it, naturally Gabbard was associated with Russia. I'd very much disagree with that association because Gabbard took a position based on her understanding of the uselessness and needless death and destruction in the wars in which she herself participated, this makes her some kind of a Russian asset. You want Russian asset, look at Trump and Moscow Mitch. Gabbard, not so much.

To my mind, the biggest strike against Gabbard is her hard-line anti-LGBTQ rhetoric before she fell into line with the Democratic platform. I'm far more inclined to be troubled by this than by anything else about this candidate.

So, Gabbard. Where do I stand? I stand with Warren because I think she'd make an excellent president. However, I will support any of the other candidates should they be nominated as our party's candidate, including Gabbard. That won't happen, but I have not seen or heard anything that convinces me Gabbard is some kind of Russian asset, or pals around with Assad, or is a Democrat in name only. I just haven't. She served this country honorably, and continues to serve the people of her state.

Should Gabbard be nominated, though, I would have some concern about her strength on social justice, her understanding of domestic policy and her tendencies toward excessive isolation.

Just a couple more thoughts. I always like to play a little game called Cui Bono, which is who stands to benefit from burying Gabbard in this primary? Let's make a short list:

1. The military industrial complex - the last thing firms like Boeing, Lockheed, Raytheon, Ball and other military contractors want is for us to elect a president who is fervently anti-war. Lots of money is changing hands with these forever wars, and this year's 'defense' budget was $733 billion. They don't want cuts because it is bad for their shareholder profits.

2. The more centrist wing of the Democratic party, which is still convinced we cannot win an election with big and progressive ideas, but instead have to kowtow to some mythical white blue collar worker in the midwest. As Moore pointed out last evening on MSNBC, though, and he is right, the real working class is mostly women, young people and people of color. We lost the so called Reagan Democrats decades ago and they aren't coming back. This centrist group is currently backing Biden quite forcefully.

So there you have it. My somewhat complete thoughts on Gabbard. Not a traitor (you want traitor, think Trump and Moscow Mitch). Possibly an isolationist. Possibly still fighting internal battle around LGBTQ rights. Not a pal of Assad. Anti-war. An honorable soldier of the millennial generation we so vitally need to come to the polls next year.

I've found the millennials, since I work with so many of them, think for themselves. They've been screwed by the establishment every which way but loose, and their lives are a constant struggle against heavy student debt loads. They struggle with unaffordable housing, clogged roads and jobs that don't pay enough. They need childcare, healthcare, relief from debt and a better future.

We'd better come in with a big bold vision to galvanize them like JFK did my generation. To my mind, Biden isn't it, neither is Gabbard, Hickenlooper, Delaney, De Blasio, and the others. I think we'd be MUCH better off to run Booker, Castro, Harris or Warren.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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I thought Gabbard had a very good debate tonight. Castro as well. PatrickforO Aug 2019 #1
I agree with all of your statements. nt metroins Aug 2019 #7
Gabbard is a DINO, has appeared on FOX multiple times attacking Obama and... brush Aug 2019 #31
I'm thinking about it. Gabbard isn't going to make it deep in the primary, PatrickforO Aug 2019 #37
I like your choices. And btw, Gabbard was elected to the House not Senate. brush Aug 2019 #39
Oh oh. Faux pas! Thanks for the correction. PatrickforO Aug 2019 #49
A small point on the Bernie voters who did not vote for Hillary. CentralMass Aug 2019 #52
Neither has a chance at we winning the primary or general. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #34
Actually, I think Gabbard may be the one most capable of beating Trump. thesquanderer Aug 2019 #36
He is the strongest choice because of his influence in blue wall states...and the inability of other Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #45
Yes. Even master orator Obama had an awful debate performance. But... thesquanderer Aug 2019 #46
I have heard Biden on the campaign trail many times...he will be fine...and EW won't win Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #48
Unfortunately I agree.. sad but this country isn't ready for a women prez Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #54
I am sad about it too... I am not sure a woman VP pick is a good idea this year. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #62
You do realize that the dotard will not debate with any democrat Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #53
I think he won't be able to resist the appeal of the TV monopolization and thesquanderer Aug 2019 #59
I'm not switching loyalties, because we need a prosecutor to put Trump and Barr in prison, but: real Cannabis calm Aug 2019 #43
Well that is exactly what they were trying to do...garner more support and get those donations UniteFightBack Aug 2019 #2
I guess that's what the whole process is about right now. nt metroins Aug 2019 #6
So, you like a women who has the same opinion as Barr about the Mueller report womanofthehills Aug 2019 #60
You might want to check some of the interviews Tulsi has done at Breitbart. crazytown Aug 2019 #3
I will check them out and be following her for sure. metroins Aug 2019 #5
Gabbard was vetted for Trump's cabinet, crazytown Aug 2019 #9
So was McMaster metroins Aug 2019 #14
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Well it is your call of course. crazytown Aug 2019 #19
That is 2 entirely different kettle of fish! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #55
She has a questionable past herself - she was a mega anti LGBT person (who later evolved} womanofthehills Aug 2019 #50
Gabbard was #1 on google look up tonight. Way to play Russia. Way to play. applegrove Aug 2019 #4
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Agree, the Russian trolls ' love' Gabbard...Dino. Untrustworthy. apcalc Aug 2019 #28
Agreed. n/t MBS Aug 2019 #47
Tulsi benefits from looking TV presidential. That's it. ecstatic Aug 2019 #8
She's a congresswoman metroins Aug 2019 #10
stating the voting record is not tearing down other democrats. nt msongs Aug 2019 #11
A vegetarian? Well that seals the deal for me EffieBlack Aug 2019 #21
Your post is rude. metroins Aug 2019 #22
You do know what the "scarcasm" tag means don't you? still_one Aug 2019 #24
That's what made it rude..... metroins Aug 2019 #25
I'm sure David Duke and Putin approved of her performance. nt woodsprite Aug 2019 #12
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Gabbard eargerly voted against providing safe refuge to Syrian refugees. SaschaHM Aug 2019 #17
Thanks for the post metroins! Devil Child Aug 2019 #20
The only Gabbarb supporters I know are yelling that white men are the true ones discriminated silentEcho Aug 2019 #23
I thought they... Mike Nelson Aug 2019 #26
Don't forget Inslee! He actually got some meaningful time tonight. calimary Aug 2019 #29
I agree... Mike Nelson Aug 2019 #30
Gabbard is untrustworthy. A homophobic Dino, imo. apcalc Aug 2019 #27
Gabbard MFM008 Aug 2019 #32
+1 uponit7771 Aug 2019 #35
Okay. As you say, we're on the same team. Hortensis Aug 2019 #33
Cool story bro nt NYMinute Aug 2019 #38
I'm really really curious what Gabbard positively offers over any other candidate Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2019 #40
Yeah if I'm judging her by the way I hear the rightwing clowns on my football board talk about her, LincolnRossiter Aug 2019 #42
Aside from Biden, Castro, Buttigieg, and Warren are my favorites LincolnRossiter Aug 2019 #41
I leaned over JustAnotherGen Aug 2019 #44
You are kidding me...you did? Hey I have an idea you should make a thread about it. nt UniteFightBack Aug 2019 #51
Neither Gabbard nor Castro can win a general...Castro's position on immigration is a loser for us Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #61
A lot of other folks have given their opinion of Gabbard so I'll talk tirebiter Aug 2019 #56
Not sure he's for open borders. But we've got some candidates who promote junk called "Economic Hoyt Aug 2019 #57
Decriminalizing all border crossing sounds like open borders to this gringo. tirebiter Aug 2019 #58
So, you are for rounding up people who made it here and sending them back. You are right, though, Hoyt Aug 2019 #63
Returning to refugees get a pass requires substantiation of claims tirebiter Aug 2019 #64
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